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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | So, do we use the "release date" or the actual release date in our contributions?  This shows a "release date" of 11/13/2018 but says they're shipping as of 10/30/2018, so it's obviously being released prior to the "release date". By the way, this is the publisher's web site. Thoughts? --------------- |
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| Registered: April 1, 2007 |  Posts: 185 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would go with the 13th. The publisher has the option to release early, if they so desire, but resellers, like Amazon will likely still have to wait. Amazon.ca says Nov 13th. |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | The releasedate for our purposes remains November 13, 2018. |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 69samael69: Quote:
I would go with the 13th. The publisher has the option to release early, if they so desire, but resellers, like Amazon will likely still have to wait. Very likely, but The Rules state, "The DVD Release Date is always the date of Original Release", not the date of general release. --------------- |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
The Rules state, "The DVD Release Date is always the date of Original Release" Yes, and that's November 13, 2018, as the screenshot from Shout! Factory shows, right under the title. That's the Original release date. That they choose to ship it early doesn't change the release date. You're confused by terminology - you're thinking: "well, if it's shipping, then it must be released already", but that's not the case for our purposes. We ignore the fact that a few copies are shipped out early - November 13, 2018 still is the official release date. Only if we change the field title from "DVD Release" to "The earliest date that anyone first got their hands on it", then this might become interesting. Now, not so much. Note that if "the earliest date that anyone first got their hands on it" became the official approach to this field, then any time a review copy was sent out before the official releasedate, then that would be our date right there. I for one really don't want that… Shout! Factory clearly states November 13, 2018 as the release date, every major e-tailer states November 13, 2018 as the release date, Blu-ray.com states November 13, 2018 as the release date - I really don't see why *we* would want to handle this any different. If anything, for those who care about that sort of thing (I don't), I'd imagine that it's actually a nice thing to store that original release date, and to then have the purchase date show that you actually got your hands on it earlier. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | If I celebrate Christmas on December the 23rd, does it mean that everyone should change their calendars? | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Note that if "the earliest date that anyone first got their hands on it" became the official approach to this field, then any time a review copy was sent out before the official releasedate, then that would be our date right there. I don't see any point in trying to confuse things by bringing up review copies. The Rule clearly states, "Use the date when the DVD was first released for sale in its specific locality. " My understanding is that these copies being released on October 30 have been sold to customers. --------------- |
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| Registered: February 19, 2012 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 106 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting T!M:
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Note that if "the earliest date that anyone first got their hands on it" became the official approach to this field, then any time a review copy was sent out before the official releasedate, then that would be our date right there.
I don't see any point in trying to confuse things by bringing up review copies. The Rule clearly states, "Use the date when the DVD was first released for sale in its specific locality. " My understanding is that these copies being released on October 30 have been sold to customers.
--------------- I don't see any point in trying to confuse things by ignoring two perfectly good answers, but you're still trying. |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | The problem with these pre-order "get it 2 weeks early" that Shout Factory runs is not everyone who orders early gets em the same time. Most of us who did it for Creepshow got em a couple days after store date. Do we go by "earliest reported delivery"?
I would use store dates for anything mass market that goes to major retailers. For stuff only available from one website use when they start shipping. Just my 2 cents to try and make sense out of what could easily stop making sense very quickly. |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AlunH: Quote:
I don't see any point in trying to confuse things by ignoring two perfectly good answers. I haven't ignored anything here, including your non-answer. There have been instances where DVDs were sold exclusively by one retailer for a period (often 30 days or so) before being widely available. I don't remember us having to enter the general release release date in those cases, but instead used the initial "limited release" date. Why should this be different? --------------- |
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| Registered: February 19, 2012 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 106 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
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I don't see any point in trying to confuse things by ignoring two perfectly good answers.
I haven't ignored anything here, including your non-answer.
There have been instances where DVDs were sold exclusively by one retailer for a period (often 30 days or so) before being widely available. I don't remember us having to enter the general release release date in those cases, but instead used the initial "limited release" date. Why should this be different?
--------------- I'd suggest that the general release date should have been used in those instances anyway. I really don't see what there is to question here. A DVD/BD has an official release date. That's the release date. We don't use the date you received the DVD (if you pre-ordered it) or the date you picked it up in a store. We don't use the date the distributor sent out the discs. We don't use the date the distributor received the discs. We use the release date. Sometimes discs are sent out early. If you're lucky enough to receive one of them, that's a bonus. It doesn't change the release date. Sometimes discs are sent out late. Bummer. Life's like that. It doesn't mean the release date changes to three days later. |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rules tell us "Use the date when the DVD was first released for sale in its specific locality."
It does NOT tell us to use the date the DVD was first DELIVERED to someone.
I personally don't think there should be any debate, imho this is a non issue.
Edit: I don't believe that using a fluid date, based on how long the DVDs are in storage or how fast the postal service takes, benefits the database.
A date chosen by the distributor, instead of when a consumer receives the film, would produce greater consistency in the database.
And consistency, as Ken has noted, is key: "Consistency for submission to the online is possible and what we should shoot for. Agreement on how it "should be" is neither possible nor (thankfully) necessary." | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
The rules tell us "Use the date when the DVD was first released for sale in its specific locality." In the example above would you agree that the disc is being sold and shipped as of 10/30/2018? The "release date" of 11/13/2018 is no more real that that "list price" of $22.97 is. --------------- | | | | Last edited: by scotthm |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting Kathy:
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The rules tell us "Use the date when the DVD was first released for sale in its specific locality."
In the example above would you agree that the disc is being sold and shipped as of 10/30/2018?
The "release date" of 11/13/2018 is no more real that that "list price" of $22.97 is.
--------------- Please read the rest of my comments, the edited part in particular. As far as I am concerned Ken statement expresses my thoughts on the matter. I am not saying that your points are not valid but, based on Ken's post, I believe we should continue to use the official release date. |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
The "release date" of 11/13/2018 is no more real that that "list price" of $22.97 is. Yet we track that list price as well. |
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| Registered: February 19, 2012 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 106 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting Kathy:
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The rules tell us "Use the date when the DVD was first released for sale in its specific locality."
In the example above would you agree that the disc is being sold and shipped as of 10/30/2018?
The "release date" of 11/13/2018 is no more real that that "list price" of $22.97 is.
--------------- No, I disagree. The discs have been sent out erroneously by Amazon. If Warners had the guts to take on Amazon, they could do - Amazon are most likely in breach of their contract with Warners. Amazon charging people has absolutely nothing to do with it. There are plenty of firms that charge you on ordering when you pre-order a title months before it's released. We don't use the date your credit card or debit card are charged as the date of release, do we? And if they happen to send the discs out early by a few days we don't use that date either - we use the official release date. You've confirmed that the publisher's own site has an official release date. That's the release date. There's no ambiguity of any kind here - I have no idea why you're questioning this. |
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