I can just speak for me personally, but if i enter cast listings for example on Animes i bought (and not someone else has already made it) i only enter the original cast into the profile as most of the time there is no german cast credited at the end, or only partial infos in the booklets/backside of the dvd/bd case for the german voie cast. (and so most of the time i delete the german cast on the personal database of mine)

Would habdle it that way with other animated Movies too (maybe except those which have credits based on the language of the player like some Disney/Pixar Movies).

I'd prefer to list the voice cast in every case.

- They add a significant part to the acting
- Most of them are actors anyway - either in theater, or in German movie and TV productions
- For some foreign actors it is important who dubbed them, because different actor do that with different quality
- Last not least the German soundtrack is part of the film - not an extra or something else...

If I had to lay out the DVDP database structure, I'd prepare a matrix for the complete cast for each language, and I'd prepare space for the according crew members per sound track either...

We have in hundreds of German releases listed the German Voicecast if present in end end credits. Not all German releases list the German Voicecast, but the important films do. As they are in everywhere I see not why suddenly to change this practic.

The German Voicecast has an important role in a film. We see the actor, but what we hear looking the film in German is the German Voicecast. Therefor this is an important part also to know who is the speaker for a certain actor. To list it is common, some do not list it because it gives a lot of work, but in my opinion this should always be listet for above reason.

Fritz

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And I neither agree with you, AiAustria. ...

At no time everyone agrees with everyone's opinion...

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First of all, SwissFilm, how do you define an "important film"? This is ridiculus. And just because only major labels (such as Warner or Disney) do the listening for a voice cast in additional text panels. So this argument is not valid, because an "important film" is only the personal opinion of a person.

I don't think anyone should divide the films between more important and less important. This is useless and senseless.

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And AiAustria, maybe you can tell me, why we should really need a multilanguage master?

I don't need them. The distribution builds them, to save money on localization.

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The movie may be american or british or chinese, that is important. The voicecast on the other hand is not. If we went further with your opionion, we have to list all the voicecast for the italian language, the spanish language, the turkish language, ... you see my point?

Yes, I see your point, but I can't agree either - In a perfect laid data base we would have the information for all dubbed languages AND we would enter the information only once and reuse it for all releases and all locations.

I know, we are not even near a perfect data base - we are more at the doesn't-even-work-at-all end of data base layout - and that's why the location of the Disc should determine the dubbing cast added. - As the location determines the title, and many other rules depend on it...

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I do not really think, that german as the worlds 2,1%-language, is so important, that a voicecast is really needed.

In my location German is spoken by nearly 100% of the people and nearly 80% were raised with it - so, yes, it is the most important language for me and many others!

Since the concerned profiles/discs are distributed for this market (they have the locality German, Swiss or Austrian), the German voice cast concerns a vast majority of the target group.

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And - to speak just for myself - I never care about the voicecast. Even when there are two or more dubber who synchronize the same actor.

There are users who care and user who don't - same with headshots, birth years, cast and crew sections, cast sorting, etc., etc. - The fact, not everyone cares, is no reason to omit: this would end in empty profiles...

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You will never get a straight line in that.

Sure. I didn't start this thread. What's you intention in opening it?

BTW: This whole thread is not representive any way: Everybody who is able to discuss in an English spoken environment, is able to follow English movies (the vast majority) in the native language. All the other users who can't attend here - another majority - will be even more interested in the German localization and its representation in DVDP...

I really don't see the point as nearly all films have the German voicecast already in it as it is important when we look a film in German and somebody else is the voice. Then I like to know who is speaking for George Cloney or somebody else. This only in German localized films with a German Overview and if present in end credits after the normal end credits. There are also many films with no voicecast listed, then there is none, but if it's listed it was common until now to list it. It's a worthful information I find.

I do a lot of crew and cast contributions, crosslinks and BY's. And I have the German voicecast and will always have it at least for me. But from then on I cannot contribute anymore a crosslink or BY for such a film as I have my German voicecast. So you are going to loose my contributions as I do then the corrections only local because I cannot contribute them with my German voicecast in it. Does not matter for me, but for the community it will.

Fritz

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I'm french and live in Germany. If I buy a movie in Germany and watch the french dubbed version, there is no credit for "German Voice Actors". Therefore it is wrong to add this credit, what not a part of the main movie is.

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Example:

I'm french and live in Germany. If I buy a movie in Germany and watch the french dubbed version, there is no credit for "German Voice Actors". Therefore it is wrong to add this credit, what not a part of the main movie is.

You don't really expect us commenting on misusing a German located DVD, do you?

A German Release has an Overview in German and only the German Voicecast beside the Originalcast. As the Overview on the Backcover is in German it's for Germany with German Voicecast. There is no need for another Voicecast in a German Release, also it has also other languages. And you find in those also only the German Voicecast after the end credits as end end credits.