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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,715 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm working on common names and birth years for quite a while. Out of this experience I see two major problems (intentionally ignoring Ken's refusal of a real solution - redesigning the program - and the real name issue (gretings to Yves), since both this areas are a great resource for moaning but don't improve our database or solve our problems) which are not addressed in any way by now: • Common name threads which are not conclusive • Birth years which are needed to distinguish persons from each other but which are not determinable.
Now I'm wondering if we could set up some sort of supreme court to decide tied common name threads and assign fake birth years in such cases.
A little more detail, on what's going on in my sick brain: We could elect a (very) small number of members (five, maybe seven) who could be called to solve any of the above problems. They should have the opportunity to discuss the cases in a closed forum and they should have the power to: • assign contributable fake birth years (even in cases where two persons have the same known birth year) • call out a binding common name which shall be used and locked (!) for considerable amount of time (six to twelve months) to reduce the amount of flip flopping...
I've not really thougt about the election or the reelection of such a board. But this should be managable...
Neither I've asked officially to submit fake birth years. But this should be managable too.
What do you think about? Especially I'm interested in a feedback from Ken on this, since it would need an additional (closed) forum and the ability (including a process) to submit fake birth years... | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote: What do you think about? Especially I'm interested in a feedback from Ken on this. I'm thinking that Ken already has other ideas about how to solve the common name problem, and that your hopes for feedback from him in this thread are wishful thinking. --------------- |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,715 |
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Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: Quoting AiAustria:
Quote: What do you think about? Especially I'm interested in a feedback from Ken on this. I'm thinking that Ken already has other ideas about how to solve the common name problem, and that your hopes for feedback from him in this thread are wishful thinking.
--------------- Any hope of feedback on any issue, in any thread is wishful thinking. And when he does, he usually causes more issues with his decisions. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | I like the idea.
I know that Ken posted something about creating a better linking system, but wasn't that a few years ago? Have we gotten an update on it's progress?
At this time I think we should use what we have and try our best to make a better linking system within the current confines of the program.
I am sure that some problems will arise. One I can think of is how to create a fake birth year for someone who doesn't appear in any online database or site.
Of course the only participation of Ken's would be to enable fake birth year contributions. |
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Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,879 |
| Posted: | | | | In my DB I give them birth years of 10000 (or 10001, 10002, etc) since that makes it real easy to see that it's a fake year. Not saying that's what the community should go with, just that it's my solution. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote: What do you think about? At present, linking in the online database is a total mess, and your idea could help to solve thousands of problems. A solution to BY problem would also help to make better headshots database (not in relation with contributing process). All users concerned by linking work separately on their own database, and this is clearly a waste of time. A new linking system has been announced several years ago by Ken, but we never saw it, and we just can use the program as it is. So I agree with your approach. I'm ready to participate, though I'm not sure many people would like to see me in the panel . | | | Images from movies |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: ... and that your hopes for feedback from him in this thread are wishful thinking. We do not need formal feedback. If he accepts to open a specific forum (after a support ticket... ), it will mean that he accepts the idea. | | | Images from movies | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote: ... and locked (!) for considerable amount of time (six to twelve months) to reduce the amount of flip flopping... With present system, common names should be locked for at least five years. | | | Images from movies |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,715 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote: .... is wishful thinking.... ... it's christmas! No better time for wishes... | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,715 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote: I am sure that some problems will arise. One I can think of is how to create a fake birth year for someone who doesn't appear in any online database or site. A fake birth year is not needfully of any meaning. If there is no good idea how to create it, the dice would do... The only important thing about it is, it has to be accepted by all members around here, to make it a linking factor... The procedural concerns could be defined within the closed circle of such a board, which would speed up thing a lot... | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) | | | Last edited: by AiAustria |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,715 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting AiAustria:
Quote: ... and locked (!) for considerable amount of time (six to twelve months) to reduce the amount of flip flopping... With present system, common names should be locked for at least five years. ... if there is a conclusive common name yes; but if the thread is toggling there are two suboptimal reactions: some of us hesitate to name a common name at all - which leaves us with unlinked entries in the database - and others start flip flopping the name - which is a great loss in productivity... Any kind of authority - this is the idea behind - can name a common name for a specific amount of time and prevent the toggling. Any time after, the same authority can annul its decision or see that the decision was right. But meanwhile we have another link in the database. | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,715 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: A new linking system has been announced several years ago by Ken, but we never saw it, and we just can use the program as it is. So I agree with your approach. I'm ready to participate, though I'm not sure many people would like to see me in the panel . I'd prefer your participation. As long as we agree on the fact that we can't make up names which are not based on the current rules (the CLT and the currently used common name giving process) every input is welcomed, especially yours, since you seem to have researched a lot on this issues... ... and last not least, this would have to be a kind of election: let's see what's possible... | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | It would be good if Ken first outlined his future linking plans, something he last alluded to in February. However, as long as we've got to work with the current CLT-based common name system, anything that helps to properly establish and propagate common names and needed birth years, is most welcome. |
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Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote: Quoting ateo357:
Quote: .... is wishful thinking.... ... it's christmas! No better time for wishes... Well then my wish would be, if this is a possibility. Based on prior common name thread activity I would like to nominate Sidrat, huskersports, AiAustria & bbbbb. All for different reasons and I don't think any of them would have a personal agenda. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I personally would be against anything like this....
you should never give any power to users over any other user in this forum. The only ones that should have any power over any users is Invelos themselves.
I am totally against locking of any common names in any way. The way it is set up it can flip flop at any time. That is just the way Ken designed it.
So no... I have to say I am totally against this idea even at first skimming. | | | Pete |
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