Let's say that a dvd contained in a blu-ray/dvd combo pack was released in 2012. In 2015 that same dvd is entered as an alternate version by disc id because it's contained in a Steelbook release.

Which date do we use for the alternate version contained in the Steelbook?

If we use the 2012 release date for the alternate version in the Steelbook it won't match the Steelbook parent profiles release date but will have the case type and cover art of the Steelbook. Which, to me, will look strange.

The Alternate version is for the steelbook it is released with that steelbook... it gets the same date as the steelbook It don't matter if that disc ID was released earlier for another release... it is this release that matters for this version.

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I disagree.  The The only reason for the variant concerns the artwork.  This does not alter the release date of the original DVD (hence the DVD disc profile to begin with).

Where did you come up with that?  The profile is for that release, why would we reference other earlier releases? 

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We should use the earliest confirmed release for any Disc ID profile.  If that particular disc was released at an earlier date, the rerelease of the artwork/packaging does not change that.

We aren't changing anything.  That original release & profile already exist, with the earlier release date as well as all the other information.

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I can already see issues concerning variants and variations of artwork concerning reyuse of discs from previous releases.

Charlie

The new variant has no ties to the original Disc ID, most fields should be the same, as to do with content, but there will/may be differences in Release Date, Case Type, Media Company, overview, Disc Features (SUch as Digital Copy), etc, etc.

I don't get the point of tying old irrelevant information from a different release to a variant that was created for a specific release.

Quoting CharlieM:

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For the Disc id, there is no difference in any features or anything else from the prior release.  the only possible differences are going to be external to the disc. 

Not true, Digital Copy for example as well as any exterior information.  But yes, it will be the same content on the disc.

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artwork, to tie to the parent
Media companies to tie to the parent.

Exactly, but it is possible for MC to change for children.  If another company acquires the rights and re-releases it.

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The Disc (disc ID profile), is the same pressing as the earlier release.  There is nothing that changes on the disc.

Agreed.

Quoting CharlieM:

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The ONLY reason to add a variant to a disc ID for a combo package (BD+DVD) is to alter the Artwork and possibly the media release company

Wrong.  The release date & Case Type can also see Van Helsing as an example.

Quoting CharlieM:

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If you take Van Helsing.  the only real characteristic you are changing is the artwork.  It is still the same pressing that was released in 2004.

But this profile has NOTHING to do with the previous release.  Why do I care that this DiscID was used in a different release?  What value does this irrelevant data provide?  The release date in question still exists and is correct in the correct profile.  I am not following your thinking....

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As for tying to the original ID, When I am adding a disc ID profile to my collection, I will insert the disc into my drive, and Invelos will show me all the variants for that disc ID.

The only reasons to have mulitple variants for a Disc ID profile is

More than 1 movie on a disc in a multi disc box set (in which case i would want all the variants)

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Significant changes in the artwork (such as is the case with van helsing DVD, or any of the others that will come along)

We are not talking about UPC variants, which could possibly be used for 2 different movies released with the same profile.

I personally have never seen a disc ID get reused for a different movie.  I guess in theory that it could happen.

I'm still confused.  If you add it that way you can pick the variant.  But why do you want information from a different release to be in a variant that has nothing to do with the release it is tied to?

I am confused, Wy do you want incorrect information in your profile.

If it is known date of release of the original pressing, why would you not want that information.

relevancy is based upon who views it.

(By the way, I do not include digital copy with the features of a disc based profile, unless that digital copy is on the disc.  All digital copy information is in the parent profile).

I wish my original request would have been used.  option box to tie child artwork to the parent.  Then we would not be having this discussion at all.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Charlie

As a side note.

This is going to be a pain for a long time.  Even with arguments about release dates and what not.

Every profile that has an alternate cover, that I download on an update, I will have to go through that profile, and delete all the originals that are in my DB. 

For a person that has a lot of combo packs, and a lot of boxsets that are double and triple features, that are using discs contained withing other packaging, it is going to be a lot of work.

This is going to go on for a while.

I agree with Charlie.  The fields are either related to the actual packaging or the disc but not both.  Release date, overview, cover art, case type, digital copy, etc. are all tied to the packaging.  Studios, cast/crew, running time, aspect ratio, etc. are all tied to the specific disc or movie.

If the same disc is repackaged in 5 different releases due to cover/packaging changes then why the need for 5 different Disc IDs if the disc is the same?  This only leads to watering down the contribution pool that is, for example, instead of having 100 contributors for a given profile Disc ID #1 may now have 10, #2 may have 23, #3 may have 47, #4 may have 15, and #5 may have 5 contributors.  It also results, in this example, an increase in 4 times the amount of data in the database which has already been captured in the main profile.

It would be nice if the software had a checkbox for a disc profile to inherit the cover images, etc., from the parent profile.

Quoting CharlieM:

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I personally have never seen a disc ID get reused for a different movie.  I guess in theory that it could happen.

This could never happen because if the movie changes then the tracks and disc content changes which will result in a different Disc ID.