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Star Wars : Rebels
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantRobAGD
Registered: June 3, 2007
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OkI was entering the cast from this tonight and well I ran into something I don't know exactly how to deal with.

a character in the movie a droid is credits as follows :

Himself    C1-10PR aka "Chopper"

How would that be entered in the credits ?

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I think it shouldn't be entered at all. If I understand this correctly Chopper is only a droid like R2D2 that does beeping noises and therefore doesn't have a voice actor. So this is only a gag by the crew claiming that the droid voiced himself.
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So this is only a gag by the crew claiming that the droid voiced himself.


Irrelevant.
It's in the credits, so we track it.

Since there is no common name (yet), the corect way of entering this would be:

C1-10PR aka "Chopper" / / -> Himself
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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Agree with Lewis_Prothero.

This isn't the first time that a non-living thing is credited in credits. In Smokey & the Bandit II a 1980 Trans Am is listed with the cast.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
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Also agree with Lewis_Prothero.
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Actually, according to the rules, since the credited name includes a nickname highlighted by ", it should be C1-10PR/"Chopper"/ -> Himself.
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Rules :

For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed at the end of the film - defined here as the "end credits". The section details both the actor’s Name and the Role that they played in the film. (...) Some actors may be credited a second time in either credits at either the opening or close of the film.

For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.

Is this robot an actor ? Clearly not. If we follow rules, we are not supposed to enter anything which does not concern actors...
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What is an "actor"?  How do you know the robot is not an actor?
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Actor : An actor (alternatively actress for a female) is a person portraying a character in a dramatic or comic production; he or she performs in film, television, theatre, or radio. Actor, literally means "one who interprets"; an actor, then, is one who interprets a dramatic character.
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Actor : An actor (alternatively actress for a female) is a person portraying a character in a dramatic or comic production; he or she performs in film, television, theatre, or radio. Actor, literally means "one who interprets"; an actor, then, is one who interprets a dramatic character.


If we actually went by that definition than only humans would be allowed in the cast section.

Not only would non-alive cast not be allowed but neither would animal cast members. Gone would be Buck from Married with Children, Lassie from the Lassie films or all the dogs in Eight Below to name just a few.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantJMGuer
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Actor : An actor (alternatively actress for a female) is a person portraying a character in a dramatic or comic production; he or she performs in film, television, theatre, or radio. Actor, literally means "one who interprets"; an actor, then, is one who interprets a dramatic character.



On-screen film cast credits have included animals, studio props/animation models, and even cartoon characters.

Personally, in my "local" I only enter human cast members (no dogs, horses, pigs, lizards, birds or studio props, credited or not).

Seems to me that you're not a big fan of the invelos "rules" and online database, and pretty much go your own way via your local (eg: parent/child profiles), so the question is: why would you even care that a robot is entered as a cast member in the online? Even IMDB lists non human cast "members".

Thank god for the "local" option.
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... so the question is: why would you even care that a robot is entered as a cast member in the online?

In fact I don't care. I just read the rules. This thread is one of the numerous cases where people asking generally to follow strictly the rules suddenly decide not to follow them.

I have always said that rules are made to be followed in 99% of cases, and when they ask to enter stupid data (in 1% of cases ?) we should use common sense. Most people here are againt this philosophy, and prefer to enter incorrect data just to ruin database functions as searching, linking, sorting, filtering. So, here, if we must follow strictly the rules, we enter only actors. What I do in my local is not the problem here.
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Not only would non-alive cast not be allowed but neither would animal cast members. Gone would be Buck from Married with Children, Lassie from the Lassie films or all the dogs in Eight Below to name just a few.

Yes, that is what is clearly requested by rules: "take the actor information from the end credits ". If people want to enter animals, they can ask a change in the specific forum...
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Yes, that is what is clearly requested by rules: "take the actor information from the end credits ". If people want to enter animals, they can ask a change in the specific forum...


There are definitely Animal Actors, just do any web search for a zillion results. I don't see the rules specifying that we observe any kind of Actor speciesism.

If an Animal is listed within the Cast, then we add it, period. No change is needed.
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I've seen animals do a better job acting than some humans! 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantJMGuer
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I have always said that rules are made to be followed in 99% of cases, and when they ask to enter stupid data (in 1% of cases ?) we should use common sense. Most people here are againt this philosophy, and prefer to enter incorrect data just to ruin database functions as searching, linking, sorting, filtering. .



Look, I actually agree with you in regards to database functions such as linking, which is precisely why I create my own profiles and don't download.

Keep in mind that what may be "stupid data" to you (or me) may not be so to others.
Some may not care that actor XY is credited as ZW in this film or as XQ is that film. In any case, contributors are simply following the rules which state, as you know, "list names exactly as they are in the credits".

'You' either follow the rules or 'you' don't. You say that "rules are made to be followed"...then do so. If a rule is bad, try and get it changed (assuming the majority go along with you).

Failing that, there is always your local database (most importantly)  in which you can enter data as you see fit ( as you know). A win-win situation as I see it.
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