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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | The Blu-ray release of Big has both the Theatrical Release (PG) and an Extended Cut of the film (no rating)... Going by the rules it seems to me that means the release is Unrated... but I am in a PM discussion with someone that disagrees. The Rules say... Rules Quote: Quote: Rating
Use the Rating shown on the DVD cover, with the following constraints:
For localities which offer it as a choice, enter "Unrated" for DVDs which: Contain an alternate version of a film which received a theatrical rating, and which have no rating or are marked "NR" or "Not Rated" OR include "Unrated" on the front or back cover of the case Use "NR" for DVDs which do not qualify for the "Unrated" rating, and which have no rating or are marked "NR" or "Not Rated" Use the “Adult” rating for all Adult films.
For DVDs with more than one rating shown (e.g. a DVD which includes an R and Unrated version), use the highest applicable rating with the following scale:
NR < Board Rating < Unrated < Adult.
The Extended Edition is an alternate version of a film which received a theatrical rating, and which have no rating or are marked "NR" or "Not Rated" The Extended Edition is an alternate version of the film that was released with a theatrical rating. "AND" The Extended Edition has no rating (normally you will see NR or Not Rated for the other version included... but not this time). So per the rules... it reads to me that the release needs to be Unrated. That is my argument that per the rules it needs to be changed to Unrated. I am a little confused on his argument that it needs to be PG... but it appears to stem from there is no Unrated/NR/Not Rated on there for the Extended edition... but it seems to me that the rules don't say it has to be... "Contain an alternate version of a film which received a theatrical rating, and which have no rating or are marked "NR" or "Not Rated" | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 20,111 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: "Contain an alternate version of a film which received a theatrical rating, and which have no rating or are marked "NR" or "Not Rated" I think the " and" which comes before your bold makes the meaning very different. It says "and" like it's required in addition to the prior part of the rule. It doesn't say "or" there. A rating (PG) does appear, and "NR" or "Not Rated" do not appear anywhere. All the release says is "Extended Cut". Nothing about it being Not Rated, etc.. This is the movie and cover in question: | | | Corey |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | There is nothing there to give the impression that the PG rating is for the extended cut as well as the theatrical cut.
Filmratings.com does not give any rating for any other cuts like I have seen on other titles http://www.filmratings.com/search.html?filmTitle=Big&x=40&y=9
If in such a case we weren't supposed to use Unrated in such cases we wouldn't have the rule that said No Rating or NR/Not Rated.
It seems to me that the correct rating per the rules we have... as they are written would be Unrated. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 20,111 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: There is nothing there to give the impression that the PG rating is for the extended cut as well as the theatrical cut. There's really nothing there to give the impression that it's not meant for both either. A similar Movie and Profile case would be the Commando "Director's Cut" DVD release. It only has "R" rating on the cover/disc. It's always been listed as "R" in the database without anybody changing it: | | | Corey |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | In my opinion, Pete has it right. The extended edition is not rated. It was never released in theaters, so there was no need for it to be rated. I see these types of changes all the time.
The fact that nobody has bothered to change Commando doesn't mean it is correct, it just means nobody has bothered to change it. It should be corrected as well. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 20,111 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: The fact that nobody has bothered to change Commando doesn't mean it is correct, it just means nobody has bothered to change it. It should be corrected as well. Actually Commando was "Unrated" once, but The Movieman's contribution corrected it to "R" rating, and this was approved. His contribution notes were: "Corrected Rating per back cover. Although this is a director's cut, there's nothing on the back that says Not Rated or Unrated." | | | Corey |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Katatonia: Quote: Actually Commando was "Unrated" once, but The Movieman's contribution corrected it to "R" rating, and this was approved. I don't own that release so was going by your post that said "it's always been listed as "R" in the database without anybody changing it." Quote: His contribution notes were: "Corrected Rating per back cover. Although this is a director's cut, there's nothing on the back that says Not Rated or Unrated." The change was incorrect as the rules do not require that the film be listed as 'Not Rated' or 'Unrated'. Those are just two of the three options. The third option is "have no rating." I checked filmrating.com and they do not list 'Big: The Extended Cut', 'Commando: The Director's Cut' or any other variation. That means they have no rating and, per the rules, should be listed as 'Unrated'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 554 |
| Posted: | | | | When you hit play from the menu and choose the extended version/director's cut, is there a blue ratings screen or any notice about the rating before the movie starts? Might help settle matters. | | | My DVD/Blu-ray Collection My Letterboxd Page |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rizor: Quote: When you hit play from the menu and choose the extended version/director's cut, is there a blue ratings screen or any notice about the rating before the movie starts? Might help settle matters. When you play the extended cut of the film there is no rating screen before the film. I watched the extended cut of the film just the other day. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Katatonia: Quote: Actually Commando was "Unrated" once, but The Movieman's contribution corrected it to "R" rating, and this was approved.
His contribution notes were: "Corrected Rating per back cover. Although this is a director's cut, there's nothing on the back that says Not Rated or Unrated." I am at work so can't check, but when was it changed? We have had two rule changes for ratings in the last 4 years, one where that change would have been correct, and the newest one that makes that change incorrect. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree with Katatonia. I think that assumption is being made that the rating of the cover is only for the theatrical version. This might be correct, but might not be. Studios often submit different versions to the MPAA (or other ratings boards), so it the alternate cut could very well could have been given the same rating. Unless it says Unrated somewhere on the cover then that is just an assumption and unless can be proved to be truly unrated then you have to go with what is on the cover. I'm pretty sure that I've seen covers that have multiple ratings, but I can't think of an example at this moment. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server | | | Last edited: by DoubleDownAgain |
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| Posted: | | | | Anchorman 2 for example has three cuts, PG-13, R and Unrated. On the back cover it has all logos for all three. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server | | | Last edited: by DoubleDownAgain |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote: Anchorman 2 for example has three cuts, PG-13, R and Unrated. On the back cover it has all logos for all three. I was responding to your previous post, but this one makes my point better as you provided a perfect example. 'Anchorman 2' was originally submitted in 2013 and received a 'PG-13' rating. It was resubmitted, in 2014, as 'Anchorman 2: The Legend Continues Super-Sized R-Rated Version', and was given an 'R' rating. Another example is 'Apocalypse Now'. It was originally submitted in 1979 and received an 'R' rating. It was resubmitted, in 2001, as 'Apocalypse Now Redux' and received an 'R' rating. When a studio submits an alternate version to the MPAA, and a rating is given, a record of is kept at filmratings.com. If you...the general you, not you specifically...enter the film title on that site, it will give you the information. I did this for both 'Big' and 'Commando'. Neither had alternate versions resubmitted so there was no need to make any assumptions. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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| Posted: | | | | Are you sure all submissions are listed on the website? Proof of this? | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
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| Posted: | | | | I ask because the examples you used are of films that actually were released back into theaters with the updated rating. You are assuming that a cut not being listed on the site, means that that cut was never rated. Which may be the case, or may not be the case AFIK. If I'm wrong please let me know. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
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Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,621 |
| Posted: | | | | filmratings.com will tell you if a film has been submitted and what it got. If no entry for a title there, it's Not Rated. Unrated sounds the same, but means slightly different:
From the rules and forums, I thought that if a film was any alternate version of something that was rated at any point, it should be tagged "unrated".
If a film has never been submitted for rating in any form, it should be "Not Rated". Did the rules change on me again? |
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