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Registered: December 9, 2007 | Posts: 15 |
| Posted: | | | | The end credits of the movie "Hanna" contain a typo: "Vicky Kreips" is supposed to be "Vicky Krieps". See Wikipedia or her personal page for reference. The CLT lists "Vicky Kreips" in 2 titles (43 profiles, 42 of which are "Hanna") and "Vicky Krieps" in 10 titles (39 profiles). Makes one wonder, how many duplicates for less known actors there are in the database, based on typos or alternate spellings, that no one recognized or bothered to fix yet? Heck, I only stumbled over this one by accident myself. She only has a minor role but is listed third in the credits (order of appearance and all that), otherwise I wouldn't have noticed. I submitted an update for the disc I own, changing "Vicky Kreips" to "Vicky Krieps [Vicky Kreips]", which is currently pending approval. Is there any kind of procedure in place to fix this kind of thing for those other 42 profiles, or do I just hope people read this post and take care of it on their own? | | | ...and Earendil cast him from the sky. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 20,111 |
| Posted: | | | | They could actually be credited differently in various territory versions of the film, so we shouldn't automatically decide all entries in the database are incorrect. I found a film recently which had a Producer credited one way in the film's end credits on the Canadian Blu-ray release, and they were credited with a totally different spelling variant on the German Blu-ray. And those two Blu-ray releases came out within weeks of each other. They were also the default "English" language credits on both releases: Courtney has the typo "Courteny" in the German release. | | | Corey |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 5,734 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Anca1agon: Quote: I submitted an update for the disc I own, changing "Vicky Kreips" to "Vicky Krieps [Vicky Kreips]", which is currently pending approval. Is there any kind of procedure in place to fix this kind of thing for those other 42 profiles, or do I just hope people read this post and take care of it on their own? I guess the other 42 profiles do not need a fix, because they already have the common name link. Have you checked them? | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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Registered: December 9, 2007 | Posts: 15 |
| Posted: | | | | Hm, it hadn't occurred to me that they could chance the credits in different territory versions.
I haven't actually checked any other profile, only used the credit lookup tool with both versions of the name. | | | ...and Earendil cast him from the sky. | | | Last edited: by Anca1agon |
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Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Kreips in my version R1, just doesn't have the common name Krieps. |
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Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | There is nothing to actually fix. The screen credit is Kreips, adding the common name will not change how it shows up in the CLT. |
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Registered: December 9, 2007 | Posts: 15 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote: There is nothing to actually fix. Are you sure about that? I know I'm still a noob around here, but I am not convinced. So the CLT looks at the "credited as" field as opposed to the actual cast entry in the database? That doesn't make sense to me. I thought the CLT was supposed to make finding common names easier? In any case, regardless of what the CLT says, there still is a in my opinion totally obvious spelling error in the credits. And obvious errors should not be committed to the database. The "credited as" field is there to maintain the golden rule of "enter exactly as credited" in cases like this, is it not? I did a couple of spot checks on random profiles of the movie "Hanna". All of them credited "Vicky Kreips" directly without using the "credited as" field. So now we have both "Vicky Kreips" and "Vicky Krieps" in the database, both of which refer to the same person. "Vicky Krieps" should by all logic be the common name, since it "Kreips" is simply a spelling error. Hence, as far as I understand it, profiles referring to "Vicky Kreips" should be changed to "Vicky Krieps [Vicky Kreips]". Even if that makes no difference for the CLT, it does make a difference for everyone who owns different movies (that are not "Hanna") featuring that actress. | | | ...and Earendil cast him from the sky. |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Anca1agon: Quote: as far as I understand it, profiles referring to "Vicky Kreips" should be changed to "Vicky Krieps [Vicky Kreips]". Even if that makes no difference for the CLT, it does make a difference for everyone who owns different movies (that are not "Hanna") featuring that actress. In fact it wouldn't, since (if done correctly) in this case all appearances of Vicky Krieps (including the one from "Hanna") would show under one entry (Vicky Krieps). Even better, the "Common Name" (if applied correctly!) will even solve all other possible variants of the most credited (-> usually most correct) form. Regarding the "Obvious Typo"-thesis: We cannot know if this really is a typo or if Mrs. Krieps (for what reason ever) wanted to be credited this way. We may assume a typo, be we do not know. So what's "obvious" is that we have a variant of the most credited form, but that's about all. Please accept that for DVDProfiler purposes we (the creators of/contributors to profiles) are nothing else but data-typists. We do NOT interpret (except where the rules explicitly allow us to). In order to consolidate the data we may then add necessary crosslinks or differentiators (i.e.: birthyears). But we do not alter what we find in the credits. Period. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 | | | Last edited: by Lewis_Prothero |
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Registered: December 9, 2007 | Posts: 15 |
| Posted: | | | | You're right of course, considering the name variation an obvious typo was bad from.
However, if I'm not completely missing something here, my point still stands: There currently are two entries for Ms. Krieps/Kreips in the database. There should be only one (the "common name"), shouldn't there? | | | ...and Earendil cast him from the sky. |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Yepp, and therefore the profiles of "Hanna" need to be corrected (which obviously hasn't happened yet).
But since the CLT (in order to fulfill its main-purpose) has to mirror all the variants out there simply "correcting" to the most credited form wouldn't do. A crosslink has to be implemented to achieve two goals at once: 1) Link Mrs. Kreips to Mrs. Krieps 2) Make the CLT show that there are actually variants of Mrs. Krieps | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote: Please accept that for DVDProfiler purposes we (the creators of/contributors to profiles) are nothing else but data-typists. This is the main problem with the database. To have correct linking/sorting/filtering functions, we need to enter correct data, not copied errors. The result is a huge mess which is totally useless. | | | Images from movies |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 5,734 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: This is the main problem with the database. To have correct linking/sorting/filtering functions, we need to enter correct data, not copied errors. surfeur51, I totally agree with your "enter correct data" approach. Quote: The result is a huge mess which is totally useless. Say what?? | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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Registered: June 26, 2013 | Reputation: | Posts: 694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
This is the main problem with the database. To have correct linking/sorting/filtering functions, we need to enter correct data, not copied errors. The result is a huge mess which is totally useless. +1 as long as everyone understands the rules differently will not change anything here. | | |
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Registered: June 1, 2013 | Posts: 217 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: This is the main problem with the database. To have correct linking/sorting/filtering functions, we need to enter correct data, not copied errors. The result is a huge mess which is totally useless. You're right, of course. Typos in film credits are as old as the medium itself. Here are a few examples. The Remarkable Mr. Kipps (1941) - Michael Redgraves in openning credits, Michael Redgrave in end credits Horror Express (1972) - Christopher Lee misspelled on some prints Cristopher The Silver Star (1955) - Edgar Buchanan misspelled as Buchanon Casablanca (1941) - S.Z. Sakall misspelled as S.K. Sakall The Mummy's Hand (1940) - Cecil Kellaway misspelled as Kelloway Cat-Women of the Moon (1953) - Elmer Bernstein misspelled Bernstien Annie Hall (1977) - Christopher Walken misspelt as Wlaken State of the Union (1948) - Katharine Hepburn misspelled as Katherine In the Name of the King: Two Worlds - Bob Van Ronkel misspelled as Runkel (led to a lawsuit, I believe) Dr. No (1962) - John Kitzmiller misspelled as Kitzmuller The Bishop's Wife (1947) - Anne O'Neal misspelled Ann Bang (1995) - Lucy Liu misspelled Lui The Bishop's Wife (1947) - Kitty O'Neil misspelled O'Neill A Matter of Life and Death (1946) - Bonar Colleano, misspelled as Bonor in the end credits Airplane (1980) - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar misspelled as Jabaar) The Best Years of Our Lives (1946) - Fredric March misspelled Frederic Star Wars (1977) - Drewe Henley misspelled as Hemley The Haunted Palace (1963) - Edgar Allan Poe misspelled Allen Total Recall (1990) - Philip K. Dick misspelled Phillip Star Wars (1977) - Denis Lawson misspelled as Dennis Heavenly Creatures (1994) - Richard Rodgers misspelled Rogers Angel Heart (1987) - Extras Casting misspelled as Exras Casting Earth vs. the Spider (1958) - Starring misspelled as Starrring The Breakfast Club (1985) - Illinois Film Commission misspelled as Comission Catch Me If You Can (2002) - Saxophone solos misspelled as Saxaphone I have no horse in this race as the saying goes...makes no difference to me, but I think you're wasting your time / beating a dead horse (see above posts). You want a linking/error free db, I suggest you do what I do: completely disregard the Invelos db. Enter your own data into your local. Simple. Easy. |
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