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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorateo357
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Came across an existing profile with 2 Visual Effects credits for Executive Visual Effects Supervisor and Visual Effects Art Director.

I don't think they meet the discription for VFX. Should they be removed?
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I would remove them.
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I would track both locally, but never contribute them to the database. They are not valid Visual Effects credits currently.

If they do already exist in a profile, I see nothing wrong with their removal.
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Ok, maybe I'm missing something but while I can that the Art Director wouldn't be included (wouldn't be surprised if that one was meant to be an 'Other' entry locally)...but the other one I see no problem with.

It's a Visual Effects Supervisor...surely the Executive doesn't negate it's inclusion; but actually emphasizes the job importance. This reminds me of the whole Supervising Producer debacle which resulted in Ken inserting a section into the rules stating that Supervising 'anything' was acceptable within the existing crew roles.

I would treat Executive Visual Effects Supervisor the same as a Chief, Senior or Lead - to me these are just extra part of that person's job title...the important bit here is Visual Effects Supervisor and to leave that out seems rather pedantic to me.

For the crew rules to include every variation of a job title it would have to be many pages longer than it already is. Surely a little common sense and logical thinking is require.

Lastly, I can't remember if I've ever come across this sort of thing...so if I have and I've included them feel free to grab your torches and pitchforks!
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I agree with Patheon on this on.
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I agree with Patheon on this on.

Me too!
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I agree with Patheon on this on.


Ditto.

I've come across many Visual Effects Art Director credits, but have left them out.
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Agree with Pantheon.
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Exec supervisor should be credited, AD not so much.
My way of saying, I agree with all those above me.
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I wouldn't include Chief, Senior or Lead either.  This isn't a variation of a job title, it is a completely different job title.  Just like Executive Producer is not the same as Producer, Executive Supervisor is not the same as Supervisor.  Photographic Visual Effects, now that would be a variation of a job title.
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But, aren't we meant to be making contributing easier? Surely, requiring in depth knowledge of the film industry is impractical and will only alienate users further? Either way I don't see it your way. Sorry
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I've see an AD in VFX company credits on screen, but have never thought about contributing them. Didn't think they were the type of AD that we tracked.

I have a few more episodes to watch and edit the profile. For those who are wondering what profile (Spartacus: Blood and Sand)
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But, aren't we meant to be making contributing easier? Surely, requiring in depth knowledge of the film industry is impractical and will only alienate users further? Either way I don't see it your way. Sorry

What in depth knowledge is needed?  Based on the crew chart, we know that Executive Producer and Producer are different jobs...they each have their own section.  Why, then, would we assume the opposite for Executive Visual Effects Supervisor and Visual Effects Supervisor?

As for making it easier, it doesn't get any easier than "if it isn't in the chart, don't include it."  We, those of us with more knowledge, or those of us who think we are using common sense, are the ones that complicate it.  I will demonstrate by going back to your original argument and ask this question...

If Executive Visual Effects Supervisor, is just an extension of Visual Effects Supervisor, why isn't Visual Effects Art Director just an extension of Visual Effects?  I mean, the important bit here is Visual Effects, right?  While it might not sound like it, this is a serious question and I really am trying to understand your position because, in my mind, they should be treated the exact same way.  Treating them differently, in my opinion, is what makes contributing harder.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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As for making it easier, it doesn't get any easier than "if it isn't in the chart, don't include it."  We, those of us with more knowledge, or those of us who think we are using common sense, are the ones that complicate it.  I will demonstrate by going back to your original argument and ask this question...



I've brought this point up before but feel it is important and relevant to this argument.

I know that it is only an addition of a single letter "s" but "Directors", "Editors", "Producers" etc. is NOT listed in the Crew Chart.

Therefore, based on your premiss that "if it isn't in the chart, don't include it." any Crew listed above would not be allowed.

I know that "common sense" tells me that these person(s) should be allowed. But...
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As for making it easier, it doesn't get any easier than "if it isn't in the chart, don't include it."  We, those of us with more knowledge, or those of us who think we are using common sense, are the ones that complicate it.  I will demonstrate by going back to your original argument and ask this question...



I've brought this point up before but feel it is important and relevant to this argument.

I know that it is only an addition of a single letter "s" but "Directors", "Editors", "Producers" etc. is NOT listed in the Crew Chart.

Therefore, based on your premiss that "if it isn't in the chart, don't include it." any Crew listed above would not be allowed.

I know that "common sense" tells me that these person(s) should be allowed. But...



The inclusion of an 's' means there are more than 1 of a crew, that is in the crew chart.
The addition of Visual Effects in front of Art Director, isn't the same as Art Director in the crew chart.
Executive VFX Supervisor, I don't know. I don't know what they do.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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I know these are plurals but the chart, if we are to copy things exactly, should list these members as "Director(s)" etc.
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