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Original title for Nightmare on Elm Street 2&3 two feature disc
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJeroenX
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There is no title on the disc, but the back of the case says
"A Nightmare On Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge" and "A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors"

So in the title field goes: "A Nightmare On Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge / A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors"

But the opening credits for part 2 say "A Nightmare on Elm Street Part 2: Freddy's Revenge"

What should go in the original title field?

"A Nightmare on Elm Street Part 2: Freddy's Revenge"
or
"A Nightmare on Elm Street Part 2: Freddy's Revenge / A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors"

Will the first option not mess up CLT results? And what if users have set their display to "original title"?
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I have submitted this change - adding the Original title of Nightmare 2 (also Nightmare 5) as it appears onscreen.

I didn't add an original title for the other film on the disc because there was no difference between the Title on the packaging and the Title onscreen. Therefore, to me, adding an original title would be against the rules.

I understand what JeroenX is saying (also the other NO vote I have received); but I personally think adding an unnecessary original title is against the rules.
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Obviously no one else cares, Jeroen!   
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCorne
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I would go for "A Nightmare on Elm Street Part 2: Freddy's Revenge / A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors" because there are two main features on the disc. If you would add only A Nightmare on Elm Street Part 2: Freddy's Revenge in the original title field then all credits of part 3 would fall under part 2 as well. One way or the other both options won't work great for the CLT. As it's two features on the same disc and the original title field is referring to the main title field (features) I would add both original titles.
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Ok, I get where people are coming from with the CLT on this issue.

But, how do we get around the fact that the rules say: "For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits"

Adding "A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors" to the Oriignal Title field would be wrong because that IS the title being used in the Title field.
That's where my dilemma lies.
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But the disc contains two main features. The original title refers to the main feature(s). Part 3 would be nameless if only Part 2 is added to the Original Title field.
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Quoting Corne:
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But the disc contains two main features. The original title refers to the main feature(s). Part 3 would be nameless if only Part 2 is added to the Original Title field.

This (with your previous post).
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Yes I realise there are 2 main features here.

Maybe I'm not making myself clear.

How can we add a title to the original title field that is exactly the same as the actual title field. The rules state that the Original Title field is to be used only when the Title is different to what's on screen. That is not the case here.

It seems to me that what I am being told to do is ignore that particular rule in this case.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCorne
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But there is a difference between the case and the on screen.

The titles on case:

Title: A Nightmare On Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge / A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors

The titles on screen:

Original Title: A Nightmare on Elm Street Part 2: Freddy's Revenge / A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors

If the only difference would be the capitalized o it's clear that the capitalization rule applies. But there's still the absent "Part" in the title on the case.
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Errr...you've kind of missed what I was saying.

I've submitted the change to Nightmare 2...it's Nightmare 3 that's the problem. There is NO difference between the Title and the onscreen title for #3 but people want me to duplicate the Title in the Original Title field; which is not within the rules.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCorne
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My understanding is that JeroenX is talking about 1 one-sided DVD with two features. If there's a separate profile for Part 3 then the Original Title field should be blank in that profile. Else I don't know what your point is 
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Yes it's a one-sided disc with both films on it.

The packaging says:
A Nightmare On Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge
A Nightmare On Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors

The credits say:
A Nightmare On Elm Street: Part 2: Freddy's Revenge
A Nightmare On Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors


Current title as submitted by me:
A Nightmare On Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge / A Nightmare On Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors


Original Title field (only to be used if different to the Title Field:
A Nightmare On Elm Street: Part 2: Freddy's Revenge

But...what the NO voters want me to do is:
A Nightmare On Elm Street: Part 2: Freddy's Revenge / A Nightmare On Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors

If I do this I am adding an Original Title (A Nightmare On Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors) that is NOT required; and therefore against the rules.
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So you just leave out the second feature all together. That's in my opinion against the rules. The Original Title field is referring to the main feature(s) as a whole when it in some way differs from the title(s) on cover. The rules are talking about the DVD as a whole as well and doesn't make a distinction between one or more than one feature(s) on a one-sided disc. Adding just the first main feature to the Original Title field means that Part 3 isn't a main feature but just an extra feature (and it's not in this case). Besides in the program you can select to only show the original titles unless there is none. If your reasoning would apply then part 3 would be deleted from that list.
Cor
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Yea, I have to agree with Corne on this one.  The title from the cover is "A Nightmare On Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge / A Nightmare On Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors."  That is the entire title of the release.

Since the Title uses both film titles, the Original Title field should contain both titles as well because both films make up the main feature on the disc.
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Ok, maybe this will clarify.

There is NO title on the cover per se. Or the disc.

The disc only has a number on it.
The packaging lists the titles of the films in the set...and it is from this packaging that the title has been 'made up'.

When first submitted the title was: A Nightmare On Elm Street 2 & 3: Freddy's Revenge/Dream Warriors

I changed that to the more accurate:
A Nightmare On Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge / A Nightmare On Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors

So, you could argue that the disc has no title at all and we've simply made it up.

Anyway, please confirm what I think the response is: it doesn't matter whether it's made up or not, BOTH films should be in the original title field.
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Indeed, the Original Title field is referring to the main feature(s) as a whole. Therefore both films should be in the Original Title field.
Cor
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