Hello Gerri, hello Ken,

would it be possible to add the following ratings to the current German rating classification:

* kJ (= Keine Jugendfreigabe, this replaced the former FSK-18 on April 1st, 2003)

Please note that the current FSK-18 must not be deleted, as it is still the correct rating for pre 4/1/2003 movies.

* JK/SPIO (= Juristenkommission SPIO, this rating states that the movie is free of criminal content. It's not an official rating from authorities, but awarded by the industry. It's not the same as NR (= unrated), but it also is not an official rating. It's somewhere in the middle).

I'd appreciate the effort.

Thank you.

I have to agree to Valen.

Wouldn't it be "FSK-kJ" instead of just "kJ"?

But if I'm correct, FSK-18 and the other abreviations have never officially be called like this, but FSK-18 was officially "Nicht freigegeben unter 18 Jahren gemäss § 7 JÖSchG FSK". Now it stands for "Keine Jugendfreigabe gemäß § 14 JuSchG FSK" which is basically the same thing. I would keep the same abbreviation for both ratings.

Quoting Peter von Frosta:

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No, it's just KJ

Can you give an official source? As I understand neither FSK-6 nor kJ (or ist it KJ) nor FSK-kJ are official labels (used by law or the FSK).

Quoting RHo:

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Can you give an official source? As I understand neither FSK-6 nor kJ (or ist it KJ) nor FSK-kJ are official labels (used by law or the FSK).

http://www.spio.de/index.asp?SeitID=17

look at the PDF

§18 (5)  and §26 (4)

unfortunately, I can't find the actual labels (it is hard to read this type of Deutsch  )
Would be cool if we had the colors in Profiler 

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Quoting Darxon:
would it be possible to add the following ratings to the current German rating classification:
* kJ (= Keine Jugendfreigabe, this replaced the former FSK-18 on April 1st, 2003)

Why?

I really don't get it. Noone ever complained about the text "FSK-18" even though this had never been the exact text of the rating, but "nicht freigegeben unter 18 Jahren". But since the text has changed to "Kein Jugendfreigabe" we need exactly that in DVDP ... come on ...

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Quoting Valen:
under no circumstances should "JK/SPIO" be added to the ratings.

Then tell me how would you translate "NR"? HISTORICAL BACKGROUND: I had added the "JK/SPIO" stuff to the "Ungeprüft" (not rated) line because many of the so-very-intelligent contributors always checked the "FSK-18" rating for a movie not rated by the FSK ... which is, as we all agree, WRONG!

So, in my translation this line will stay.



Friends, Germans, Countrymen ...

Why do we always have to make things more complicated than they are. The system built in right now does what it has to do. Everyone knows that the old "FSK-18" nowadays means "kJ".

If you're going to blow up the possibilites then -- PLEASE -- do it the right way and lead us to chaos with eyes open! (OR: Don't open a can of worms in the middle of your bed!) There are more logos and options than discussed here. If you really need the new description next to the old one then I demand to add the following official ratings as well:

INFO-Programm gemäß § 14 JuSchG

LEHR-Programm gemäß § 14 JuSchG

Sometimes all I can do is to shake my head...

BTW -- I hardly doubt Ken will change or add anything to the ratings because then (esp. with the FSK-18 stuff) he would also have to change/adapt the whole parental control system built into DVD Profiler.

However, what Ken could do is to make the rating stings editable so that I could manually change "NC-17" to something like "FSK-18 / kJ".

Quoting Michael_ZZ:

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If you're going to blow up the possibilites then -- PLEASE -- do it the right way and lead us to chaos with eyes open! (OR: Don't open a can of worms in the middle of your bed!) There are more logos and options than discussed here. If you really need the new description next to the old one then I demand to add the following official ratings as well:

INFO-Programm gemäß § 14 JuSchG

LEHR-Programm gemäß § 14 JuSchG

These are not rating concerning the age of viewers, and these are not awarded by the FSK (the official authority for rating movies in Germany). These are Ratings given by the distributor to describe the content, and have nothing to do with the rating system. Take a look at the code you're quoting from: it explicitly tells you that for these the official rating system is not used.

EDIT: These programs would then be "NR", because they don't carry a FSK seal


BTW, show me a movie that's marked as such (LEHR- or INFO-Prgram), you won't find any....

Quoting Darxon:

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These are not rating concerning the age of viewers, and these are not awarded by the FSK (the official authority for rating movies in Germany). These are Ratings given by the distributor to describe the content, and have nothing to do with the rating system. Take a look at the code you're quoting from: it explicitly tells you that for these the official rating system is not used.

EDIT: These programs would then be "NR", because they don't carry a FSK seal

After having read the JuSchG it seems that you are right. However, I've written to the FSK with some questions regarding this issue. Hopefully I'll get an answer.

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BTW, show me a movie that's marked as such (LEHR- or INFO-Prgram), you won't find any....

Oh come on ... copy&paste is just a mouse click away, as well as the google search bar. I own quite many INFO programs (just search for "Alpha Centauri" in the DVDP database.


Quoting Valen:

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Is this some sort of trick question? If not, than this is really easy to answer: I would translate "NR" simply to "Ungeprüft" (or maybe "nicht geprüft", but the first one IMHO sounds better).

You're right, it was meant as some sort of trick question. And if you would have read my historical background more carefully you would have known the reason why the SPIO/JK has appeared.

BTW -- this string is editable by every DVDP user. So please go ahead and either change it in your Profiler or do not use my translation. Use the IVS German standard translation. In my translation the SPIO/JK will stay to avoid confusion because SPIO/JK DVDs belong to the unrated ones and not to the FSK-18 stuff!

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No need to add anything more to it, especially not something like "JK/SPIO". By adding something like this (in the way "JK/SPIO + Ungeprüft") you'll get a real problem if you stumble over a DVD that is not rated and dosn't have the "JK/SPIO" label on it.

Ah, so in the end the plus sign is the thing that troubles you. How about a "SPIO/JK / Ungeprüft"? It looks ugly. And that was the reason why I choose the plus sign.

Again: If you leave the SPIO out completely we will end up with wrong profiles once again. We had that before and we will have it again. The reason why everything works just fine is based on the fact that I had enhanced my translation way back in July 2005.