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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorParsec
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Right I've read the rules and even added boxset profiles in the past but I am wondering if I have this right. Here's an example.

Let's say a buy a Movie "boxset", which is a dvd case with say 3 discs inside, each of these referring to various movies eg: sequel 1, sequel 2, sequel 3. Now to add this I follow the rules and add the boxset as a profile and also have 3 child profiles, one for each of the movies (sequel 1 etc). So I grab the discs one by one and insert them into the computer to search by disc id. A match comes up for the disc id!

So what exactly is one supposed to do here? Do you use that match for the child profile or are you supposed to treat the thing as unique and enter it from scratch? Obviously the easiest way is to add these existing entries as profiles and mark them as children for the boxset - well it is the right movie isn't it.
But this can also cause problems, as the profile used by the disc id might be an edition that originaly had 2 discs (movie + bonus materials), yet my boxset only has 1 disc for this movie - the main feature.

The database seems to be a mix of methods on boxsets. Should all boxsets have independent entries for their child profiles/discs or are we supposed to be limiting the number of times a disc id shows up in the db?
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As far as I know, just like UPCs, a disc ID can only be in the database once per region so I am not sure how you are getting a mix...unless I am not understanding what you mean there.

As to the rest, if the same disc ID is used in multible sets, the first release is what the main database should have, per the rules.  You can attach that disc ID child profile to other Box Set profiles, and change the child profile to reflect the current version, but you can't contribute that child profile.
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As far as I know, just like UPCs, a disc ID can only be in the database once per region


Once per locality.
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A couple things you have to look at... I am not sure since you didn't make it clear.

- When you put in the disc. You said it brought up a profile for this disc ID. I am taking it that it was put in by disc id? I would suppose so... but I wanted to be sure you realize that when put in the disc it will bring up any disc with that disc ID... including those in by UPC.  You need to preview it and be sure it is in by Disc ID or UPC.

If in by UPC you just uncheck Download from Invelos and then you can add it by Disc ID.

If it is in correctly  by disc ID then as Martian said... solution is local only. Download what is available and make changes needed locally and lock.

But then there is a chance it is not in correctly... I had this just recently...

- It is in by Disc ID... but not as part of a box set... it is in that way as a re-release.
Just recently I had one where a profile was by disc ID. It was for a single movie release. The only difference was a few changes on the cover. In this case the rules tells us to change it locally not add by disc ID for the re-release.

So I had to make and submit all changes. It went through with no problems. And the one and only vote I got on it was a yes vote. Original uploader didn't vote on it at all.
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Ok, totally confused and sorry but, didn't really understand your reply.

Let me give an example, a boxset I think I must have screwed up and hopefully you can tell me where I am going wrong. Terminator Quadrilogy upc 9317731073861 (the four Terminator movies). I assumed the correct way to add this boxset was to create a profile for the boxset and then add child profiles to it. To achieve the child profiles I thought I was supposed to use each disc itself, insert that and look it up in the database using disc id. Well thats what I did anyway. Problem is, the disk id for Termnator 2 - Judgement Day shows up with 2 listings (one Australia, one NZ), thats fine, they both have the same upc 5050582084474. I assumed I would just add this profile and then make it a child of the boxset. Well that's what I did, but looking at it now, I must be wrong because that profile for Terminator 2 list 2 discs, the main feature plus bonus materials disc.. I only got the one disc.

So have I done this wrong? Am I supposed to make a new profile for the disc id for Terminator 2? But then, wouldn't this be against the idea of the disc id only appearing once in the database? As I said.. confused..

And then try something like inserting the disc for Terminator 4 - Salvation, there's like 7 different ones that popup that match that disc id. Am I supposed to use one of them (and which do I choose) or create a new entry just based on the disc id?
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OK... the disc ID is normally only in 1 place of a profile... but can appear in 2 spots in a profile.

In the Disc ID section... When the profile is created by UPC it is in 1 place... the disc ID section...



In this case the disc ID can be in multiple profiles. For when a Film has multiple UPC releases... it would be in each of these UPC profiles.  With TV Series it will be in both the parent and child profile.

Then there is the case where the profile is CREATED with Disc ID. This is what you need to do for box sets... so it looks like this...



The top circle... that is the part that can be in only once in the database per Region/locality.

When you put the disc in the drive and search the database... it finds the disc ID for both these cases. So you have to preview it and check the UPC  and see if it is under UPC Number or Disc ID Number.

IF it is not under Disc ID you create the profile using the Disc ID. You do this by unchecking the check box that says Download  from Invelos...



This lets you CREATE a profile by Disc Id.

Hope that helps some... any questions please ask.
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Ahh ok, that makes sense. So for boxsets, when I search by disc id if I don't get a matching result (ignore UPC profiles that appear) then I create a disc id profile and submit it as well as submitting the boxset profile? (Well submit all the disc id profiles that make up/are childs of the boxset plus the boxset profile that lists the child profiles).

Just one further question here. Do I give these disc id profiles cover images, and would that cover image be the same as the boxset cover image?
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Yes they get cover images... and as for the parent cover... that depends on the packaging. Stuff like Digipaks or multiple discs in a single keep case... where the discs don't get their own individual cover.. we use the parent cover. For sets that have say... multiple Thinpaks... we scan the individual case.
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Right.. I got some boxsets to fix then 

It's not very obvious within DvdProfiler itself to do it this way, it kinda gives one the impression that if you search by disc id and get a result, you should use that result (or one of them if there are mutiple). Doesn't really say to ignore UPC entries if compiling a boxset, anywhere that I saw.

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That is understandable. I think it is easier for us that has been with the program a long time... since before box sets were possible... to know how to do it from the advancements in the program alone.
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Doesn't really say to ignore UPC entries if compiling a boxset, anywhere that I saw.


Since a box set can consist of both UPC profiles and Disc ID profiles, it would be unwise to ignore them.
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Doesn't really say to ignore UPC entries if compiling a boxset, anywhere that I saw.


Since a box set can consist of both UPC profiles and Disc ID profiles, it would be unwise to ignore them.

Agreed.  Often, a Box Set will contain individual cases that have a UPC.
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Yes... I have seen this a few times myself. Not nearly as often though. In my experience it is a rare thing.
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Ok guys, good on ya, now you're bringing back the confusion 

So in what situations would a boxset have child profiles that have a UPC? Or are you just referring exclusively to a boxset where it's like someone has grabbed the individual movies off the rack and stuck them all in an exterior cover of some sort with its own upc? Any other situations?
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Only when the inner cases has their own UPC Numbers.
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That was the answer I wanted to hear. Thanks.
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