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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | OKayyy... I know it's not out yet but shall we get the decision (  ) made on what the title of this is going to be for the DVDP database? For starters this was Avengers Assemble in the UK and Avengers in the US so what should go in the Original Title field... normally if it differs from the case we use the title from the film titles in there BUT I'm sure many will want to enter the US 'original' title. Furthermore the HMV exclsive steelbook apparently looks like this:  Sooo... big Avengers style 'A' on the front, the spine has images of the heroes on it not a written title, and if it matches the US steelbook there's no writing on the back either... Hopefully some sort of paper slip will help make the decision but otherwise this is going to be a T2 situation and potentially go into the database as 'A'... | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ouch, I wish you wouldn't have asked. But since the the lid of Pandora's box is open: I wouldn't compare it to T2 The better comparison is:  In both cases we have a graphic display and no actual title that could be transcribed to default letters (Otherwise we'd need to take the half circle left of the "A" into consideration too which would actually give us a "CA" as title). This would either leave us with a blank title field, orwe decide to use some form of common sense. DVD Title: The Avengers Assembly (for UK / All other localities enter matching local theatrical title) Original Title: The Avengers OK, my 2 Cents are in, waiting for the other opinions. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: May 2, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 490 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think it's QUITE silly that there is no "exception to the rule" part in the Contribution Rules.
I mean seriously, far from all box sets have the correct title displayed on the front. In some cases they don't have a title at all.
Take the Superman (14-disc DVD) collection. It only has the S logo on it and it says on top "Warner Home Video - Ultimate Collector's Edition".
And the Naked Gun box set, says "Over 4 1/20 Hours of Nakedness".
Sometimes you simply have to borrow the edition title from the spine or even back. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Voltaire53: Quote:
For starters this was Avengers Assemble in the UK and Avengers in the US so what should go in the Original Title field... normally if it differs from the case we use the title from the film titles in there BUT I'm sure many will want to enter the US 'original' title. This is covered by the rules, "The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin." Since the companies invovled were Marvel, Paramount and Disney, the CoO would be US and the original title would be 'The Avengers'. As for the title, there needs to be an exception written into the rules, but I don't think anybody would argue with Lewis' line of thinking...at least I hope not.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have an early copy of The Avengers (I have a friend who works for a distributor) and at the end credits right after some Assistant and Unit Director credits, but before the cast credits is "Marvel's The Avengers". So since the the disc credit title is Marvel's The Avengers, wouldn't that be the original title? | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! | | | | Last edited: by huskersports |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MikaLove: Quote:
Sometimes you simply have to borrow the edition title from the spine or even back. That's why I particulaly 'like' the fact the Avengers release has no print on the back and pictures instead of a title on the spine  Agree with MadMartian on the Original Title FWIW but most of the time the UK doesn't treat US releases as "foreign films" as they are in the same language and that rule is mostly read as meaning "foreign language films" so follows the second part of that Rule "The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release", so if the DVD cover says "A" and we actually had the DVD title as "A" (no I'm not suggesting this is sensible!) then the Original Title would come from the opening credits/theatrical release title of "Avenger's Assemble"... | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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| Registered: May 2, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 490 |
| | Posted: | | | | Actually taking a closer look on that Avengers logo and using some imagination, I don't really see just an "A". There's a hint of a flipped "v" as well, inside the letter A. Or it is an arrow?
Either way, it's a lot more a symbol than it is a letter.
And anyway, we need proper titles in the DB. I can't handle principles that are just there. Such attitudes are just ignorant, IMO... |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Taking an even closer look we get (A->  | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: May 16, 2010 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 516 |
| | Posted: | | | | When you put this Steelbook into a Rack, I believe there is the full Title on the small Back so you can find it. Take this Title as this is the real Title and not a Coverart. | | | *
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| Registered: October 30, 2008 | | Posts: 1,249 |
| | Posted: | | | | [oops.... accidental post] | | | If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you.
He who MUST get the last word in on a pointless, endless argument doesn't win. It makes him the bigger jerk. | | | | Last edited: by Blair |
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| Registered: March 2, 2011 |  Posts: 182 |
| | Posted: | | | | We've got the same steelbook here in France...
In conclusion, we should contribute it with the local release title ("Avengers" here in France).
Am I right ?
For original title, I see a lot of "Marvel's The Avengers" in the database... Is it the real original title ? I thought it was just "The Avengers"... |
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| Registered: May 16, 2010 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 516 |
| | Posted: | | | | I believe it should be "Marvel's The Avengers". Our Steelbook has a Slipcover, full back, about 25 % Front and there we have the title:  Fritz | | | *
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am trying to remember back to when I saw this at the theater... and I am say,... about 75% sure the opening credits showed Marvel's The Avengers. But I can't remember well enough to be completely sure. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 2, 2011 | | Posts: 182 |
| | Posted: | | | | But in the rules we can find this : Quote:
Possessive examples: "Tim Burton's Corpse Bride", John Carpenter's "The Thing". In each case, the portion within quotes is the title. isn't it the case we're facing ? edit: forget about it, I was not watching the good part of this rule : Quote:
Include possessives if the front cover includes them, and if they are verifiably part of the title. If quotes surround the title in the credit block (generally on the back cover), check whether the possessive is within the quotes. In the absence of quotes to verify, check the font size used for the title on the front cover. | | | | Last edited: by baham |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yeah... that means it depends (if this release) has a credit block with quotes around the title on the (usually) back cover. This of course can be different between releases. If I am remembering correctly about the opening credits "Marvel's The Avengers" may need to go in the original title. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 2, 2011 | | Posts: 182 |
| | Posted: | | | | The back has indeed "Marvel's The Avengers".
And so in the movie credits. So it must be the original title. | | | | Last edited: by baham |
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