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Is OVER a "joining word"? |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | From the rules: Quote:
For English titles do not capitalize joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. So far, so good. Now, here's my question: is the word OVER considered a "joining word"? Is it, for instance, 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest' or 'One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest'? |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,744 |
| | Posted: | | | | In my collection "Over" is always capitalized: <OriginalTitle>One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest</OriginalTitle> <Divider Caption="1.09 Mad Over Miami" Type="Episode" /> <Divider Caption="4.17 Someone to Watch Over Me" Type="Episode" /> <Divider Caption="7.12 Sky Bandits Over Hazzard" Type="Episode" /> <Divider Caption="1.13 Bridge Over Troubled Sonny" Type="Episode" /> <Divider Caption="3.04 One Strobe Over the Line - June 15," Type="Episode" /> <Divider Caption="4.22 Deja Vu All Over Again" Type="Episode" /> <Divider Caption="1.22 Déjà Vu All Over Again" Type="Episode" /> <Divider Caption="8.05 Start All Over Again" Type="Episode" /> <Divider Caption="3.12 Someone to Watch Over Annie" Type="Episode" /> Doesn't mean it's right, though.  | | | Karsten
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I always capitalized it. While I can't say I am 100% sure I am right on it. I feel pretty confident. | | | | Pete |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
In my collection "Over" is always capitalized Same here. It's just that I got a no-vote for using "Over" (stating: "against capitalization rules"), so I thought I'd ask. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: September 18, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,650 |
| | Posted: | | | | Over should be capitalised. |
| | Registered: November 16, 2007 | | Posts: 80 |
| | Posted: | | | | According to this website it is not capitalized. In titles of songs or albums and band names, blog posts or articles, the standard rule in the English language is to capitalize words that: 1.Are the first or the last word in the title 2.Are not conjunctions (“and”, “but”, “or”, “nor”), adpositions (“to”, “over”), articles (“an”, “a”, “the”), or the “to” in infinitives. |
| | Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,879 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would capitalize it. All the uses of "over" are capitalized in my collection. If one Google's the title, one finds agreement.
However, stylistically it is actually trickier. In a title in English one should not capitalize an article, conjunction or preposition. However, one should capitalize a preposition if it is over a certain length.
It's the length that there's disagreement about. Some manuals say 4 letters. Some say 5. "Over" is one of these words, so it's correct to go either way, depending upon what style you're using. Darn English! | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Wikipedia uses "Over", FWIW.
As does most book covers that uses mixed cases when I do a Google image search. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,749 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here's my take.
If the title always appears in CAPS on the cover (i.e. front, back spine, overview, etc.) and the film credits, then it shouldn't be capped per the link Bfd245 posted. If it appears in any of these places in upper and lower case and the word, in this example over, is initial cap then it should appear that way in DVDP. If there is any official documentation to support the word being initial cap or always capped (i.e. movie studio or movie websites, etc.) it should be noted and the rules of capitalization followed. My 2 pennies.
P.S. I checked a few of the released covers and they show upper lower with each word initial capped. So it's correct with "Over and The". | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,678 |
| | Posted: | | | | 5 out of 6 titles in my collection that has "over" in the middle of the title has it capitalized. But... looking at another adposition, "from", it's far from clear which is the most common. There are a lot more of these (88 in my collection), so they're not as easily counted, but it looks to me that the majority are not capitalized. Draw whatever conclusion you like...  | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar | | | | Last edited: by GSyren |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Bfd245: Quote:
According to this website it is not capitalized.
In titles of songs or albums and band names, blog posts or articles, the standard rule in the English language is to capitalize words that:
1.Are the first or the last word in the title
2.Are not conjunctions (“and”, “but”, “or”, “nor”), adpositions (“to”, “over”), articles (“an”, “a”, “the”), or the “to” in infinitives. This would be standard capitalization rules, but we don't use those rules. We use Invelos rules which state, "do not capitalize joining words." Joining words are conjunctions...though in Invelos' definition, articles seem to be as well, but that is a different story. Since 'over' is not a conjuction, it gets capitalized. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | According to the Chicago Manual of Style, over should not be capitalized if it is being used as a preposition, but should be capitalized if it being used as an adverb or anything else.
Preposition
One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest (denoting positional reference)
Adverb
Move Over, Darling
Of course always capitalize when first or last.
(I hate capitalization rules)
Charlie |
| | Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
According to the Chicago Manual of Style, over should not be capitalized if it is being used as a preposition, but should be capitalized if it being used as an adverb or anything else.
Preposition
One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest (denoting positional reference)
Adverb
Move Over, Darling
Of course always capitalize when first or last.
(I hate capitalization rules)
Charlie I think it really depends on what style you are recognizing and the lenth rules that were stated above by another poster. The publishers of this book chose "Over" http://www.amazon.com/Flew-Over-Cuckoos-Penguin-Classics/dp/0141181222/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323224358&sr=1-1 The one thing to remember is that there are several recognized methods of capitalization just as here are several recognized methods of alpabetizing. The important thing for both is to choose a method and be consistant. | | | | Last edited: by Scooter1836 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
According to the Chicago Manual of Style, over should not be capitalized if it is being used as a preposition, but should be capitalized if it being used as an adverb or anything else.
Preposition
One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest (denoting positional reference)
Adverb
Move Over, Darling
Of course always capitalize when first or last.
(I hate capitalization rules)
Charlie This is exactly correct! For the case sited in the OP, "over" would not be capitalized. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 824 |
| | Posted: | | | | When I went to school, I was always taught that EVERY word in a title should be capitalized except for a, an, and the. | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
When I went to school, I was always taught that EVERY word in a title should be capitalized except for a, an, and the. This was true when I went to High School 20yrs ago. Changed when I went to college and was introduced and expected to follow the Chicago Manual of Style (I actually still have that book in my personal library). Unfortunately, I started to program in BASIC and C, and destroyed my writing habits. All that education, and now I work outside....  |
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