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| Registered: April 6, 2007 |  Posts: 465 |
| | Posted: | | | |  Hello all. I haven't submitted anything in awhile. (Actually I haven't hit anything new enough it wasn't already here!) I have a Combo Pack Blu-Ray + DVD + Vudu $5 Offer. (Hellboy at WalMart, new UPC) Do I use the slip cover, with the ad on it, or go with the standard packaging inside. Inside titles as Blu-Ray + DVD Combo Pack. I can see the slip cover being just for a promotion by WalMart. It's tough enough to get a decent scan, I'd like do the correct cover.  Insight appreciated. Dave |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | That depends.
If the slipcover has a different UPC than the inside packaging you can choose to ignore the slipcover and contribute for the inside packaging only.
If both share the same UPC I'm afraid for the online database you'd have to use the slipcover. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Silence_of_Lambs: Quote:
That depends.
If the slipcover has a different UPC than the inside packaging you can choose to ignore the slipcover and contribute for the inside packaging only.
If both share the same UPC I'm afraid for the online database you'd have to use the slipcover. Most slip covers now have a cut out in the UPC area to see through to the inner back cover (they did this because, IIRC, people would take a slip cover for a cheaper title, put it over a new more expensive title, and then pay the lower price). |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMovieman: Quote:
Quoting Silence_of_Lambs:
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That depends.
If the slipcover has a different UPC than the inside packaging you can choose to ignore the slipcover and contribute for the inside packaging only.
If both share the same UPC I'm afraid for the online database you'd have to use the slipcover.
Most slip covers now have a cut out in the UPC area to see through to the inner back cover (they did this because, IIRC, people would take a slip cover for a cheaper title, put it over a new more expensive title, and then pay the lower price). That's odd...I've never seen a slipcover with a hole-punch. It's always been the other way around for me. I've purchased "Box Sets" where the individual keepcases had their cover art UPCs hole-punched and the outer package had a new UPC. I've also purchased individual titles that had a sticker UPC pasted over the original UPC and underneath the original was hole-punched. Those titles were obviously part of a "Box Set" that wasn't selling and they broke it up and sold the titles individually. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Bad Father: Quote:
Quoting TheMovieman:
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Quoting Silence_of_Lambs:
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That depends.
If the slipcover has a different UPC than the inside packaging you can choose to ignore the slipcover and contribute for the inside packaging only.
If both share the same UPC I'm afraid for the online database you'd have to use the slipcover.
Most slip covers now have a cut out in the UPC area to see through to the inner back cover (they did this because, IIRC, people would take a slip cover for a cheaper title, put it over a new more expensive title, and then pay the lower price).
That's odd...I've never seen a slipcover with a hole-punch. It's always been the other way around for me. I've purchased "Box Sets" where the individual keepcases had their cover art UPCs hole-punched and the outer package had a new UPC. I've also purchased individual titles that had a sticker UPC pasted over the original UPC and underneath the original was hole-punched. Those titles were obviously part of a "Box Set" that wasn't selling and they broke it up and sold the titles individually. Well, I was talking about individual releases (one title). For box sets, with more than one movie, sure, that might have its own UPC, but for a stand alone movie with a slip cover, I generally have only seen them with the square cut out (i.e. like the recent release of Harry Potter Blu-ray or "Castle" season sets). |
| | Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've seen these but can't recall what exactly they were. Need to know a few things before saying for sure what to do...
Is the Vudu ad printed on the slip or just a sticker?
Does the slip have it's own UPC, different than the case under it?
What happens if you put in the UPC from the cover under the slip? Did the original have a different slip? If this UPC (from the keep cover) doesn't show then it should be used.
What happens if you add by disc ID?
What is the Vudu offer inside? Is it a seperate disc, or just a paper ad/flyer/coupon?
I'm thinking these slips are a form of re-issue and should be ignored, but may be wrong as I can't recall for sure. I don't know if they qualify as a new exclusive version, esp as the disc ID will probably match the old Hellboy BD profile. If all they have new is a slip and an offer for Vudu, they are just a promotion and not an exclusive new version of the disc. | | | | Last edited: by bigdaddyhorse |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMovieman: Quote:
Quoting Bad Father:
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Quoting TheMovieman:
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Quoting Silence_of_Lambs:
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That depends.
If the slipcover has a different UPC than the inside packaging you can choose to ignore the slipcover and contribute for the inside packaging only.
If both share the same UPC I'm afraid for the online database you'd have to use the slipcover.
Most slip covers now have a cut out in the UPC area to see through to the inner back cover (they did this because, IIRC, people would take a slip cover for a cheaper title, put it over a new more expensive title, and then pay the lower price).
That's odd...I've never seen a slipcover with a hole-punch. It's always been the other way around for me. I've purchased "Box Sets" where the individual keepcases had their cover art UPCs hole-punched and the outer package had a new UPC. I've also purchased individual titles that had a sticker UPC pasted over the original UPC and underneath the original was hole-punched. Those titles were obviously part of a "Box Set" that wasn't selling and they broke it up and sold the titles individually.
Well, I was talking about individual releases (one title). For box sets, with more than one movie, sure, that might have its own UPC, but for a stand alone movie with a slip cover, I generally have only seen them with the square cut out (i.e. like the recent release of Harry Potter Blu-ray or "Castle" season sets). Ohhh...I see what you're getting at. But that has really nothing to do with the OP's dilemma. What you're referring to is just a retail loss prevention deterrent. The OP's question is regarding whether to use the outer slip cover's UPC for Walmart's Exclusive or the inner UPC for the regular release. Personally, since the OP actually purchased the Walmart Exclusive, I'd go ahead and submit that. Someone undoubtedly will, or already has, submitted the regular release UPC. I just "inherited" a few DVDs from my recently deceased father and one of them was "Wings of Destruction: A Century of Aerial Combat" where the outer Tin has a different UPC than the inner packaging. Neither UPC was in the database so I just submitted it with the UPC on the outer Tin. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Fingerlakes Dave: Quote:
Hello all.
I haven't submitted anything in awhile. (Actually I haven't hit anything new enough it wasn't already here!)
I have a Combo Pack Blu-Ray + DVD + Vudu $5 Offer. (Hellboy at WalMart, new UPC)
Do I use the slip cover, with the ad on it, or go with the standard packaging inside. Inside titles as Blu-Ray + DVD Combo Pack. I can see the slip cover being just for a promotion by WalMart.
It's tough enough to get a decent scan, I'd like do the correct cover.
Insight appreciated.
Dave If you scanned the ad free cover, I wouldn't vote no on it, that's for sure. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
If you scanned the ad free cover, I wouldn't vote no on it, that's for sure.  So much for keeping up with the contribution rules Quoting rules: Quote:
If a DVD is packaged in a keep case, within a slipcase of some kind, scan the Cover Images from the outer slipcase. If, however, the Slipcase is reflective, and the inner cover art is identical, use the Keep Case art to scan, as it will give a better quality image. The fun stuff will come around again in about a year or so, when exactly those people with the "Contribute-What-You-Like" mentality will go harrassing over the quality of the database. But I guess I just found another windmill. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| | Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Silence_of_Lambs: Quote:
Quoting Alien Redrum:
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If you scanned the ad free cover, I wouldn't vote no on it, that's for sure.
So much for keeping up with the contribution rules
Quoting rules:
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If a DVD is packaged in a keep case, within a slipcase of some kind, scan the Cover Images from the outer slipcase. If, however, the Slipcase is reflective, and the inner cover art is identical, use the Keep Case art to scan, as it will give a better quality image.
The fun stuff will come around again in about a year or so, when exactly those people with the "Contribute-What-You-Like" mentality will go harrassing over the quality of the database.
But if it's just a re-issue with a new slip cover, then it's what the rules say to do. It all boils down to if it has a new UPC on the slipcover, if so then yeah, it can be considered a different version. I've seen many try to add new scans of old dvds that had no slipcover but rereleased with one, like Terminator, Predator, etc. and all were shot down as it's just a new slipcover, not a new UPC. Or to avoid all this, just go by the regular cover and don't mention the slipcover at all.  If I ever get a slipcover that is just an ad, be sure it will be in the trash. I could care less about Vudu, I'm tracking my movies and discs, not the promo offers included. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Silence_of_Lambs: Quote:
Quoting Alien Redrum:
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If you scanned the ad free cover, I wouldn't vote no on it, that's for sure.
So much for keeping up with the contribution rules If the inner cover has a different UPC than the slip, he is quite safe contributing based on that UPC. This happens all the time and is not against the rules as, unless this is a really rare case, the non-slipped version is what the rest of the retailers are selling. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Fingerlakes Dave: Quote:
Do I use the slip cover, with the ad on it, or go with the standard packaging inside. First check if the Slip Cover is a Wendecover. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
First check if the Slip Cover is a Wendecover. Those either don't exist in the US or are called something else. |
| | Registered: April 6, 2007 | | Posts: 465 |
| | Posted: | | | | OK. Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my initial post. (Hellboy at WalMa rt, new UPC) It is a Blu-ray + DVD Combo Pack . "Standard" slip cover. There is a CUT OUT for the UPC. The UPC is the UPC of the actual Blu-ray package. UPC was NOT in the database until submitted. Quote:
Is the Vudu ad printed on the slip or just a sticker? No sticker. printed as part of the slip cover. Quote:
What happens if you put in the UPC from the cover under the slip? Did the original have a different slip? If this UPC (from the keep cover) doesn't show then it should be used. See above Quote:
I'm thinking these slips are a form of re-issue and should be ignored, but may be wrong as I can't recall for sure. I don't know if they qualify as a new exclusive version, esp as the disc ID will probably match the old Hellboy BD profile. If all they have new is a slip and an offer for Vudu, they are just a promotion and not an exclusive new version of the disc. No combo pack exists before this that I can find information on. Totally new UPC, with same releases: Hellboy - Directors Cur, Blu-ray and DVD, and the $5 Vudu offer. I understand the submission rules. Do the rules address a situation like this, where the slipcover has an 'expiration date"? When the Vudu offer expires, WalMart (or any retailer), removes the slipcover and sells the Blu-ray+DVD package as itself. If you happen to find an expired offer in the package, Oh Well!. Or is this one of those times when the rules trump common sense?  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks for the extra information, it makes this much clearer. Quoting Fingerlakes Dave: Quote:
I understand the submission rules. Do the rules address a situation like this, where the slipcover has an 'expiration date"? Unfortunately, no. Quote:
When the Vudu offer expires, WalMart (or any retailer), removes the slipcover and sells the Blu-ray+DVD package as itself. If you happen to find an expired offer in the package, Oh Well!.
Or is this one of those times when the rules trump common sense? Yes, unfortunately, this is one of those times. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Quoting bbbbb:
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First check if the Slip Cover is a Wendecover.
Those either don't exist in the US or are called something else. They don't exist in the US. From what I understand, these are reversable covers, with a version on the inside that doesn't have a huge ratings logo, so aren't likely to be slipcovers. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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