Sounds like a simple request... 

I just played around with the locality and it looks like the options can be set up for TV and film based on the locality... I only have US, Canada & UK in my database...

US: has differing ratings for TV & Film

UK: Has no option for TV.. not sure if that is how it is set up, I assume so...

Canada: Has Canadian ratings for film, but for some reason we have the same TV ratings as the US...

Sounds like an easy fix...  Why hasn't it been done?

It really doesn't make any sense.. as far as I can tell the other localities don't have separate ratings...  so if Invelos wants' us to use the Film ratings (which are the same as the TV ratings) for TV shows, then why have a separate and inaccurate Television rating system for Canada?

Found my original request

December 2009.

Last time we did that for Spain, I prepared the localities.xod and Ken then provided it via the update mechanism.

Is this "old" Canadian rating just wrong or has it been used until a few years ago?

When you look at the Spain example, we just created 2 rating systems, one "Until 2010" and one "Since 2010"

Quoting DJ Doena:

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Last time we did that for Spain, I prepared the localities.xod and Ken then provided it via the update mechanism.

I would have no idea how to do that! 

Quoting DJ Doena:

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Is this "old" Canadian rating just wrong or has it been used until a few years ago?

When you look at the Spain example, we just created 2 rating systems, one "Until 2010" and one "Since 2010"

To my knowledge, it's just simply wrong. If I go back to my oldest purchased/earliest released DVD (the earliest released DVD, Canadian locality, I have in my collection is from '97) it has the same ratings used today. To my knowledge, Canada has always had it's own rating system (with the exception of Quebec) and it's used no matter what kind of release it is (doesn't differ from TV to Film):

NR
G
PG
14A
18A
R
Adult

And NR is iffy at best, I can't recall a single one in my collection. Even the Unrated Edition of profiles have the unique Canadian rating on them, although I'm sure there's some out there.

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as far as I can tell the other localities don't have separate ratings

Finnish profiles have several rating systems.

This shouldn't affect plugins that use localities.xod properly, right?

I'll probably still run a few tests to make sure.

As a non-programmer (can ya tell?) who seems to make what I initially think are simple requests to find out, not so much  , I'm a little confused.

Why do we need to equate the current television ratings with film ratings? Is it simply how the program would update them? Because they might not translate. The television ratings that are currently in use, do not get used at all on Canadian home video releases. The current television ratings are for broadcast only (and I can't believe I didn't actually pick up on that before as I see them every time a show on tv begins, apologies) and NEVER get placed on a dvd/Blu-ray as a rating.

Something may be rated G for television during broadcast, but it very well could end up being PG when it's released on home video. I don't know, it'd be hard to determine, you'd have to see something air on television and see the rating then, and then compare it later on when you see the dvd/Blu-ray. I doubt there's a source anywhere that says what something was rated for broadcast and is now rated for television.

And if we equate C8 with PG, does that mean the program will just automatically assign a PG rating to something that incorrectly had C8 in the rating field to begin with? Because that could end up with very many incorrect ratings.

It's not possible to replace the incorrect ratings under Television with the correct ones? The same ones used for film?

As I said, non-programmer, so I'm probably misunderstanding the issue. If the above worry doesn't need to be taken into consideration and everything will be properly sorted, then please disregard the above part of my post.


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After all the profiles are updated I can remove the second system.  To update them automatically, it must be decided what rating is most appropriate.

Following DJ Doena's example,

G becomes G
C becomes G ??
C8 becomes PG ??
PG becomes PG
14+ becomes 14A
18+ becomes 18A

Note the two ?? and please provide feedback if you can.  If necessary, I can leave C and C8 profiles alone and allow users to submit those.

I'm still not sure why this is necessary (that is not a criticism, that is simply a statement on my ignorance of the programming aspects), but since feedback was asked for.

C would become G (a broadcast rating system of C is for Children, acceptable to watch for all ages).
C8 would become G (C8 is a recommendation that it's okay for children 8 years of age or older to watch the program alone, 8 is pretty young and to me translates to a G rating, the program is still made and appropriate for children)

The rest match in my mind to what you've translated them to.


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Final question is whether the ratings for Quebec should remain split into Film and Television sections.

I do not actually own any Quebec locality releases, so I'm unsure. This link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9gie_du_cin%C3%A9ma_(Quebec) states "The same classifications are used for television broadcasts" so I would assume that no, they do not need to be split. I can't be 100% sure however.

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The C and C8 ratings are used in the broadcasting of television shows in Canada in the context of parental control using a V chip (source).

I do not know if those rating are used by any media company and placed on some back covers; out of my 779 canadian profiles, none carry them. If they are used however, it might be premature to merge the TV and Film ratings for the Canada locality.

They are not. I've never seen a single instance. They're two separate entities are they not. One is for broadcast and rated for broadcast, and the other is for home media and rated for such. They're rated by two different entities as far as I know (Canadian Broadcast Standards Council for television and Motion Picture Association – Canada for film), so how could one appear on the other.

As a side note to that, if there IS one or two instances where those ratings do appear on a back cover of a home media product (again, something no one seems to have ever seen), isn't one or two errors in the rating system for the Canadian locality a whole lot better than every single instance of Television media having to be rating incorrectly?

But I see no reason why they shouldn't be removed.