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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is a long-standing problem and the addition of custom genres last version didn't really help. I understand why the number of genres is limited to three. It makes people decide what is significant. However, some things which are not genres are in the genre section and this causes problems. Futurama for instance is a sci-fi comedy, but also and animated TV show. You can add a fourth one locally, but this isn't much of a solution. It's hardly the only such title. Television, anime and animation should all go elsewhere. Perhaps we could have an original medium field to separate out stuff that originated in theaters, on TV or was direct to video. You could maybe put live performances in here too, though I can see some overlap there.
Animation/live action should be given its own field, maybe along with color/b & w. For that matter, classic is not a genre and shouldn't really be anywhere. I'm also not sure adult and family tell us anything the ratings don't. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Isn't this just another case of inventing a problem that doesn't exist? (I've never seen it as a problem anyway.) Personally I use tags to track television, black & white and animated features. I never worry about genres once I've set them to what I prefer, and I usually don't contribute genre changes unless the profile is new or empty. So why duplicate something in the program that you can easily do with tags, or not do if you prefer that? It will only create more data fields to vote and argue about and the program and contribution rules are already bloated as they are...  | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have to agree with Kinoniki on this one. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I wouldn't care if Ken decided to do such a change... but I don't see it as a big deal. I think there is many other more important things to fix and add first. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with both the Martian and kinoniki. Yet another instance of a non-existent pronlem in reality, being turned into a problem. We get all wrapped up in minuytoae because one user or another chooses to invent a problem and the program suffers for it.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | If it is a simple fix...why not. |
| | Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree that TV and movie are not necessary genres as they are covered in Rating System. I do however see the need for family, adult and definitely classic. Adult gives as a standard everyone can use regardless of rating to lock films away from eyes that we do not wish to see them. Family gives us an easy genre to use when the sitter comes over to pick out films to show our children. Classic and this is the most important allows us to find the actual film we are looking for. How many times has Dracula, Frankenstein, War Of The Worlds and the like been remade? If I want the 1921 version of a film I am looking for the classic if I am looking for the 1990 version probably not so much. I can honestly say this is the one area I would say Ken has made the program nearly perfect, at least as perfect as possible. Thanks for the input, but as my late grandfather always told me, "Boy if it is working, stop tryin to fix the damn thing." |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,463 |
| | Posted: | | | | Gee whiz, isin't it possible to comment on the merits, pros and cons of a suggestion without deriding the character or motives of the poster?  It just seems to me that "inventing a problem" carries a negative connotation about intent, when perhaps all the user wants to do is make the program more useful - yes, from his persepctive, of course. Nothing wrong with that, and nothing wrong with saying "I don't agree because ...". Not necessary to blame the user of some ill intent. | | | Thanks for your support.
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| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lord Of The Sith: Quote:
I agree that TV and movie are not necessary genres as they are covered in Rating System. Maybe in the States but not everywhere. Extending the number of genres that get submitted isn't something I've thought about but isn't something I'd object to. |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | The problem definitely does exist. As I said, Futurama and a number of other things are impossible to list correctly in the main DB. I'd be open to any number of solutions, but this is definitely a problem. |
| | Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Posts: 384 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mediadogg: Quote:
Gee whiz, isin't it possible to comment on the merits, pros and cons of a suggestion without deriding the character or motives of the poster?
It just seems to me that "inventing a problem" carries a negative connotation about intent, when perhaps all the user wants to do is make the program more useful - yes, from his persepctive, of course. Nothing wrong with that, and nothing wrong with saying "I don't agree because ...". Not necessary to blame the user of some ill intent. mediadogg: Thank you for stating as such and far too much of that goes around on the feature requests unfortunately. On the topic at hand, I'm with Ace. While it's not a huge problem since we have a custom genres, I would be happy to see something like Ace had suggested. Something along the lines of what type of material it is: Animation, Film, Adult, Anime, Television, etc. These aren't genres and really do prevent some legitimate genres from being submitted. Being a huge anime collector this comes up quite often since every single anime profile will have "Anime" as one of it's 3 and possibly even "Television". That's 1 or 2 genres out of 3 we're able to contribute taken up by what really aren't genres (I realize this is debatable). I realize that I can add my own "Sci/Fi", "Romance", "Comedy" to the customs but it would be nice if they could be contributed due to information like "TV", "Animation" or "Adult" being denoted elsewhere or extending it from 3 to 4 or 5. Either way shouldn't be that difficult of a change and it wouldn't really harm anyone, at least that I can think of.  Anyway, it's not a huge problem for me, but if it got fixed, I'd be happy.  | | | | "The perfect is the enemy of the good." - Voltaire | | | | Last edited: by Vittra |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
The problem definitely does exist. As I said, Futurama and a number of other things are impossible to list correctly in the main DB. I'd be open to any number of solutions, but this is definitely a problem. I guess it all depends on your definition of 'correctly'. Mine are all listed under Television, Animation and Comedy. For me, they are correctly listed. Would Sci-Fi be a valid genre as well? Yes, but it's absence, at least in my opinion, doesn't mean it isn't correctly listed. Genres are a matter of opinion. What you see as correct, someone else will see as incorrect. Just because you don't think television, anime and animation are genres, doesn't mean everybody agrees with you. That, if memory serves, is why Ken gave us custom genres...so that we could decide, for ourselves, which genre we felt best fit. We have been using these genres for as long as I have been using this program...10+ years now. In my opinion, it is a little late to try and reinvent the wheel here. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is beginning to remind me of a certain discussion from years past. When we had Star Trek IV correctly listed as Sci-Fi/Action/Adventure but a particular user wanted to change the correct data to HIS correct data and make it Sct-Fi/Adventure/ Comedy. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Posts: 384 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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The problem definitely does exist. As I said, Futurama and a number of other things are impossible to list correctly in the main DB. I'd be open to any number of solutions, but this is definitely a problem.
I guess it all depends on your definition of 'correctly'. Mine are all listed under Television, Animation and Comedy. For me, they are correctly listed. Would Sci-Fi be a valid genre as well? Yes, but it's absence, at least in my opinion, doesn't mean it isn't correctly listed.
Genres are a matter of opinion. What you see as correct, someone else will see as incorrect. Just because you don't think television, anime and animation are genres, doesn't mean everybody agrees with you. That, if memory serves, is why Ken gave us custom genres...so that we could decide, for ourselves, which genre we felt best fit.
We have been using these genres for as long as I have been using this program...10+ years now. In my opinion, it is a little late to try and reinvent the wheel here. You make good points, but I don't believe Ace is asking for that information to be lost, but merely moved to allow for genres which are more traditionally considered genres. Or even that the field be expanded to allow submissions such as "Sci/Fi" for titles such as Futurama. I agree with you though. Correctness is in the eye of the beholder when it comes to genres. It's just unfortunate that such valid genres are unable to be shared due to potentially so many of the available slots being taken up by these "mediums". But as you say, it's been this way for 10+ years. I like you, doubt that anything will change but I am glad someone brought it up as it's something I've thought about as well. Only so far I've just "dealt with it". But at the end of the day, none of us can tell each other just how we should define "genre" for ourselves and that's really what this discussion boils down to. I just happen to be in line with Ace's reasoning. And to be clear, I'd hate to lose the ability to filter for Television, Anime and Animation, but I wouldn't mind if they weren't in the "Genre" field. | | | | "The perfect is the enemy of the good." - Voltaire | | | | Last edited: by Vittra |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Vittra: Quote:
But at the end of the day, none of us can tell each other just how we should define "genre" for ourselves and that's really what this discussion boils down to. I just happen to be in line with Ace's reasoning. And to be clear, I'd hate to lose the ability to filter for Television, Anime and Animation, but I wouldn't mind if they weren't in the "Genre" field. I can agree with this last part 100%. If it's a TV show or episode, it should already have the "Television" label in the rating field, so Television in the genre is redundant. After I finish up IMDBing my cast and crew, my next step is to completely remove the "Television" genre from my local as I don't see a need for it. While I'm quite sure others do, I don't think it's a bad idea to substitute, say, "Cartoon" for "Television" in the online. *edit* To be clear, I still want to be able to filter for Television, but I'm assuming that I can do say by the rating part (where you chose "Television" or "Film"). | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. | | | | Last edited: by Alien Redrum |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | But Television needs to be in more then just the ratings as you can't filter on Television if it is only in the ratings field. While it is in genre at least you can filter on it. | | | | Pete |
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