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| Registered: August 4, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,441 |
| | Posted: | | | | If there is the same actor that has:
x credits John Doe
y credits John Doe Jr.
z credits John Doe, Jr.
the common name is John Doe when x>y and x> z, or when x>(y+z)? | | | | Updated List of Accepted Birth Years | | | | Last edited: by Kluge |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kluge: Quote:
If there is the same actor that has:
x credits John Doe
y credits John Doe Jr.
z credits John Doe, Jr.
the common name is John Doe when x>y and x> z, or when x>(y+z)? Since John Doe Jr. cannot, by definition, be the common name because the filters in place would convert it to John Doe, Jr. i think i'd go with x > (y+z) and treat all the Jrs as one. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with tweeter. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with Unicus69 who agrees with tweeter (assuming that John Doe is the same person). |
| | Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | But isn't the common name decided by the "Credited As" name, which would count the commaless Juniors? | | | | Hans |
| | Registered: August 4, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,441 |
| | Posted: | | | | I know that the filters will convert the John Doe Jr. credits in John Doe, Jr. [John Doe Jr.]. however we will always have John Doe Jr. credits in CLT results (not equal to John Doe, Jr.), are you sure that we should consider John Doe, Jr. = John Doe Jr.? | | | | Updated List of Accepted Birth Years |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kluge: Quote:
I know that the filters will convert the John Doe Jr. credits in John Doe, Jr. [John Doe Jr.]. however we will always have John Doe Jr. credits in CLT results (not equal to John Doe, Jr.), are you sure that we should consider John Doe, Jr. = John Doe Jr.? You are right the names sum separately in the CLT but Ken obviously felt the forms were equal enough to automagically link them. The CLT can't yet treat them as one but but to me that is the clear intent of the filters. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kluge: Quote:
I know that the filters will convert the John Doe Jr. credits in John Doe, Jr. [John Doe Jr.]. however we will always have John Doe Jr. credits in CLT results (not equal to John Doe, Jr.), are you sure that we should consider John Doe, Jr. = John Doe Jr.? Ken does, so I think we should. Even if one version is more common than the other...John Doe Jr. with 150 credits and John Doe, Jr. with 2... the common name, because of the filter, will always be John Doe, Jr.. So to determine the common name, it should be John Doe vs. John Doe Jr. and John Doe, Jr. combined. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: April 17, 2007 |  Posts: 771 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with TheMovieman who agrees with Unicus69 who agrees with tweeter, since John Doe Jr. and John Doe, Jr. lead to the same common name their numbers should be added together. | | |  |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
Since John Doe Jr. cannot, by definition, be the common name because the filters in place would convert it to John Doe, Jr. i think i'd go with x > (y+z) and treat all the Jrs as one. ??? Allow me to disagree here. If variant y is invalid, due to Invelos filter, there's still no reason to privilege the suffix variants. Let's just guess it would not be a suffix question, but Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson with his three variants : x Dwayne Johnson y The Rock z Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson Quite obiviously the correct common name would be X if x>y and x>z, and not if x > (y+z) (which ideally would be the case too, but isn't necessary) | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 | | | | Last edited: by Lewis_Prothero |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goblinsdoitall: Quote:
If variant y is invalid, due to Invelos filter, there's still no reason to privilege the suffix variants.
Let's just guess it would not be a suffix question, but Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson with his three variants :
x Dwayne Johnson
y The Rock
z Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson
Quite obiviously the correct common name would be X if x>y and x>z, and not if x > (y+z) (which ideally would be the case too, but isn't necessary) I wondered when i saw Kluge's original post if he'd used a bad example set of names (and meant to use a more varied set, like those you presented) but decided he meant what he wrote. My answer is based on it being a suffix question. Had Kluge used Mr. Johnson's name variants as an example my answer would be different (the largest of x, y or z would be common). Since Ken has decided John Doe, Jr. = John Doe Jr. we need to treat them as equal. Two different premises, two different answers. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
Two different premises, two different answers. I really don't see the difference in the premises. In both cases we have 1 person with 3 (or more) credited variants. Just because two of those credited variants are quite similar to each other doesn't mean they are identical. Not to forget that just because the suffix variant without comma cannot be used as common name anymore, it still appears in the CLT if the actual credit is this way. Even Ken's filter maintains the credited name by making it automatically a John Doe, Jr. [John Doe Jr.] | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goblinsdoitall: Quote:
In both cases we have 1 person with 3 (or more) credited variants. Just because two of those credited variants are quite similar to each other doesn't mean they are identical. While the CLT functionality hasn't caught up for all other purposes John Doe, Jr. & John Doe Jr. are equivalent. If John Doe Jr. was common among and i added John Doe Jr. [Bunny]to a profile and submitted the change, what everyone would see and vote upon online is John Doe, Jr. [Bunny]I do understand your point of view on this but as i see it so long as filters are in place i see the suffixed names as equivalent. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Your example only would work if John Doe Jr. ( with- or without comma) would be the common name.
If we fill this with numbers, according to your thesis
John Doe (150 titles)
John Doe Jr. (76 titles)
John Doe, Jr. (74 titles)
Bunny (3 titles)
would result in John Doe, Jr. being the common name.
Sorry, but this is incorrect, even if the CLT would give correct results (which it doesn't). | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 | | | | Last edited: by Lewis_Prothero |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | tweeter is correct. Let's use the examples given with some arbitrary numbers.
John Doe = 10
John Doe, Jr. = 5
John Doe Jr. = 125
Based on those numbers, John Doe Jr. is most common. For the first, we would enter, John Doe Jr. [John Doe] which the program will convert to John Doe, Jr. [John Doe].
As I said before, since the program treats them as the same, so should we. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
As I said before, since the program treats them as the same, so should we. But it doesn't. Just because it automatically applies a comma to a suffix, doesn't mean it treats them as identical. Keep in mind that the original credit is kept by automatically using the "credited as"-function, so the program sees a difference (and so does the CLT). And keep in mind too that this automatic change only appears if no other common name is used, a "John Doe [John Doe Jr.]" would remain untouched by the filter. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
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