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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Following from the suggestion by Ninehours here, could we have some kind of option so that we can easily submit incorrectly added profiles so that they can be removed from the database. There are a few different examples why some profiles should be removed - Titles added as pre-release but cancelled before release - Can't think of an example but pretty sure it happens. Submitted to the wrong locality - The thread above highlights this issue. I've certainly seen numerous titles added to the UK that aren't valid UK releases. "Illegal" format - There are 23 UMD titles in the database at the moment (they have UMD in the title). Thanks! |
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| Registered: April 3, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | Couple of other things i found was some HD DVDs where the contributed EAN/UPC did not match the scans and a Blu-ray that had been contributed with the front cover from the UK release and the rear cover from the USA release (using that UPC to contribute it) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,739 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
"Illegal" format - There are 23 UMD titles in the database at the moment (they have UMD in the title). And let me assure you: there are even some neatly-profiled VHS-tapes in the database...  Needless to say I support this feature request wholeheartedly. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't know, I've seen people attempt to remove legit profiles so I see a potential for abuse here.
I think the current system is better. It requires more effort on the part of the contributor (good in this case), but it ensures that I can vote or react to any false attempts before the profile disapperas. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's all the same to me, but cleaning out illegal profiles from the online is really Ken's thing. I mean, if we find one of these bad ones are stepping on a legitimate one, we simply post the updates to correct it. If Ken wants to maintain the junk on his servers, that's his deal. |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kinoniki: Quote:
I don't know, I've seen people attempt to remove legit profiles so I see a potential for abuse here.
I think the current system is better. It requires more effort on the part of the contributor (good in this case), but it ensures that I can vote or react to any false attempts before the profile disapperas. I see your concerns and there would need to be a fail safe to avoid misuse. The best that I can think of would be that notes would be required & you would have to state why you think that it should be removed, ie "Wrong locality because .....". As long as you have to provide a reason for the removal & not simply "Remove please" it should be fine. The problem I see with allowing users to vote is that in most cases, particularly those for other formats is that the only people who'll have them is those that want them in there so they'll vote "No" to the removal. Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
It's all the same to me, but cleaning out illegal profiles from the online is really Ken's thing. If Ken wants to maintain the junk on his servers, that's his deal. While it's up to Ken to actually remove them, I don't think it's fair to expect him to know about them all in the first place. So what we're asking for is an easy way to highlight them to him. Of course if he's happy to leave them in, then if we're told we wont have to submit any for deletion. Quote:
I mean, if we find one of these bad ones are stepping on a legitimate one, we simply post the updates to correct it. Those aren't a problem at all for the reason you give. The ones we're talking about are those that shouldn't be in the database at all for whatever reason. |
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| Registered: October 3, 2008 | | Posts: 260 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kinoniki: Quote:
I don't know, I've seen people attempt to remove legit profiles so I see a potential for abuse here.
I think the current system is better. It requires more effort on the part of the contributor (good in this case), but it ensures that I can vote or react to any false attempts before the profile disapperas. i think people would remove perfectly good profiles because they don't agree with the "reddish hue" of the front and back scans. i think it would get to be one person saying "i dont think i like the way that profile is done , im going to remove it and make it "better". Nothing is perfect but as far as this program i think it's pretty close as is.  |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | A good example of one added to the wrong locality - http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=209999&PageNum=LAST - EAN 5709165190728. Norwegian text & rating on the back cover. A change was submitted last year trying to remove it, changing the title to ** Please remove ** giving reasons why it should be removed & it just got updated with the new "title" So that's another reason to support why having an official way to highlight wrong entries is needed. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting brimac5477: Quote:
Quoting Kinoniki:
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I don't know, I've seen people attempt to remove legit profiles so I see a potential for abuse here.
I think the current system is better. It requires more effort on the part of the contributor (good in this case), but it ensures that I can vote or react to any false attempts before the profile disapperas.
i think people would remove perfectly good profiles because they don't agree with the "reddish hue" of the front and back scans. i think it would get to be one person saying "i dont think i like the way that profile is done , im going to remove it and make it "better". Nothing is perfect but as far as this program i think it's pretty close as is. So why not add a security mechanism: a mandatory reasoning for the removal? The "Report to Invelos"-button as I understand it is not for (correctable) incorrect data, but for the data that cannot be corrected by the users, like incorrect and double locality, incorrect media, etc... So a +1 for the proposal in the OP | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goblinsdoitall: Quote:
The "Report to Invelos"-button as I understand it is not for (correctable) incorrect data, but for the data that cannot be corrected by the users, like incorrect and double locality, incorrect media, etc... Exactly correct, it's not for "I don't like this profile" but for "This profile has been submitted to the wrong locality, you can see this by the wrong language, wrong ratings, etc...." for example. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 767 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
Following from the suggestion by Ninehours here, could we have some kind of option so that we can easily submit incorrectly added profiles so that they can be removed from the database.
There are a few different examples why some profiles should be removed -
Titles added as pre-release but cancelled before release - Can't think of an example but pretty sure it happens.
Submitted to the wrong locality - The thread above highlights this issue. I've certainly seen numerous titles added to the UK that aren't valid UK releases.
"Illegal" format - There are 23 UMD titles in the database at the moment (they have UMD in the title).
Thanks! I support this, although I agree with Kinoniki's post as well. I submitted a feature request for 3.5, where one could sort the list in 'Add by title' by UPC, so it would be a lot easier to weed out incorrect UPC's for each locality. When localities were introduced to the program, a lot of entries were incorrectly changed to locality UK. Up till now, a lot of these incorrect entries remain in the database. For locality Netherlands, I am currently plowing through the entire list to find incorrect entries. Very time-consuming, because you have to make sure that an alternative profile (ie. the correct locality) is available in the database. I have noticed that the distinction between 'locality' and 'country of origin' are unclear for a lot of users. Maybe it's time to add a good explanation of 'locality' in the rules? Maybe we can translate the rules in other languages, so we can help all users who are not fully versed in English. We have many people from various countries here, so that shouldn't be a problem. | | | | Last edited: by marcelb7 |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | I support the feature request, coupled with the notes requirement. |
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | The problem is that with a really bad profile, nobody would own the DVD and vote for or against. Then who decides?
As for profiles in the wrong locations, I am all for removing them, but would propose to first check whether a correct profile exists, and if not, change the location (which does not act as a normal change, but creates a copy). | | | | Hans | | | | Last edited: by Staid S Barr |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 413 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting marcelb7: Quote:
I submitted a feature request for 3.5, where one could sort the list in 'Add by title' by UPC, so it would be a lot easier to weed out incorrect UPC's for each locality. When localities were introduced to the program, a lot of entries were incorrectly changed to locality UK. Up till now, a lot of these incorrect entries remain in the database. You can't and shouldn't use UPC/EAN to determine if the profile is contributed on correct locality. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 767 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jykke: Quote:
Quoting marcelb7:
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I submitted a feature request for 3.5, where one could sort the list in 'Add by title' by UPC, so it would be a lot easier to weed out incorrect UPC's for each locality. When localities were introduced to the program, a lot of entries were incorrectly changed to locality UK. Up till now, a lot of these incorrect entries remain in the database.
You can't and shouldn't use UPC/EAN to determine if the profile is contributed on correct locality. To a certain extent, you can. UPC-ranges are reserved by dvd-companies, and some of them apply to one country only. Ofcourse there are few that use them Europe-wide (for example Universal's 5050582-range), but quite a lot can be pinpointed to one particular country. I did some for an ill-fated project to contain the amount of media companies here. |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | There are also a bunch of pre-releases that get entered and ultimately come out under a different UPC. |
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