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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 5,734 |
| Posted: | | | | Good afternoon, Sirs,
should "Sound Engineers", in a film from 1966 as only available sound credit, be included?
If so, with what Role?
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | I don't think I would enter them. This page lists them as an "other job role" (bottom of the page). According to this, it's an ambiguous term. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree with Dee Jay as this crew role isn't listed in the chart...besides that, not knowing what this person did, it is impossible to pick the proper role. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 5,734 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote: I don't think I would enter them. Would you remove them (among other changes)? | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | If they have been included and the credit is for Sound Engineer then they should be removed ...at least for now, or moved to the Other Role in Sound (that is obviously a user-based decision). Now don't forget that we do have Sound Re-Recording Engineer, but that is a different credit entirely.
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 5,734 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: I agree with Dee Jay as this crew role isn't listed in the chart...besides that, not knowing what this person did, it is impossible to pick the proper role. I only wonder why each profile I open of the said movie contains the two. Meaning that Invelos approved "ca Sound engineers -> Sound" several times. So it is quasi-official, isn't it? | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote: should "Sound Engineers", in a film from 1966 as only available sound credit, be included? If (and that's a big "if") it's the sole sound-related credit in a 1966 fillm, then I'd award it with a "sound" credit - because then it's exactly the person the "sound" credit is meant for. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | But the rules don't call for that, tim. And it is not for you to make that call except for your local, and you CAN do just that by making use of the Other Role. Is this yet another instance of "I follow the Rules...except when I decide not to." quoting bbbb Quote: I only wonder why each profile I open of the said movie contains the two. Meaning that Invelos approved "ca Sound engineers -> Sound" several times.
So it is quasi-official, isn't it? Not at all, bbbb. Sounds to me like someone has been making global changes based on one approved profile based on the title that IS owned, and citing extensive research and refusing to include the results of said research. "It is because he says it is. This is one of the MANY dangers involved in this procedure. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote: But the rules don't call for that, tim. Yes they do: this is exactly the "primarily used in older films" credit that "sound" is meant to be used for. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Since you have very little knowledge of wehat the phrase "primarily used in older films" means and no first hand knowledge at al. And you aren't willing to listen to first hand knowledge. Your interpretations aren nevr valid.
The Program lists very specific Roles that go with Sound and Sound Engineer is NOT one of them. Jus yet another reason why your making glovbal changes is not a good thing, in fact it is a disaster in the making. I will continue to vigorously vote NO to all such contributions, and particular to your poor quality notes where you claim extensive research but REFUSE to divulge said research...in short I don't believe you and i can't trust you. In my opinion you are planting your personal preferences on every such title in the database and your comments here verify that.
I follow the Rules...except when I decide not to.
I guess you figure your 5000 Contributions makes you imune to the rules. 6000 because you repeat the same title over and over and over again for many weeks (to pad your figures?), so I figure your Contributions must be reduced by at least a factor of 3 or 4, and that does not include your GLOBAL changes which would probably knock another 2000 off that.
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote: Your interpretations aren nevr valid. <sigh> Yes, thank you very much for that helpful assessment. As for the rest, I really don't know what you're rambling on about. I don't even know what title bbbbb is asking about. Do you? | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | No, I don't, Tim, but his comment that it is on every copy he looks at is pretty good prima facie evidence.
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote: No, I don't, Tim, but his comment that it is on every copy he looks at is pretty good prima facie evidence. Except that it's not - not at all, really. So yet again, you've managed to derail another thread with much ado about nothing. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | You may consider it much ado about nothing Tim, but I don't. I know the price we are goingb to pay for your games and once my titles come out of storage and I start uncovering exactly which titles you screwed up...I will point straight at you. I don't appreciate it, Tim and NEVER will, just as I will never have an appreciation for the arrogance you display in your notes by claiming research but refusing to divulge the research.
Now as to the point at hand Sound Engineers are not covered by the Rules or the defined Roles within the Program. Therefore they are not to be included and should be removed or moved to the Custom field.
Should the Rules be modified to include them or add them as one of the defined Roles...probably. BUT that's another discussion. The point is now they are NOT.
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote: Should the Rules be modified to include them or add them as one of the defined Roles...probably. There you go: among all the pointless attacks, you actually agree with me that these are the people worth tracking with the "sound" credit. That's all I wanted to hear. Now that wasn't so difficult, was it? | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | There is adifference between what I said and what you said, Tim. NOW they should NOT be included period.
You said: "If (and that's a big "if") it's the sole sound-related credit in a 1966 fillm, then I'd award it with a "sound" credit - because then it's exactly the person the "sound" credit is meant for."
Were you not implying that you would go ahead and provide such a credit, despite the fact that it is not in the Rules nor the defined Roles, that is certainly the way i read what you are saying. Which is in violation of the Rules.
That is very different from what i said vis a vis a Rules mod or an addition to the defined Roles.
Now if I misunderstood, then i apologize, but reading and re-readin what you said, I don't think I misunderstood you at all.
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