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| Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Allowed or no? I'm updating the Canadian locality of JFK: Director's Cut: Two - Disc Special Edition and it's got a buttload of Himself/Herself (archive) (uncredited) in the credits including the likes of John F. Kennedy, Fidel Castro, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Jimmy Hoffa, Malcolm X etc. etc. The information is an obvious copy of IMDB (even though it appears IMDB may have changed up the order a bit since the profile was originally submitted), some credits even include the wording (credited on Director's Cut), and there's absolutely no notes to back up the inclusion of any of the uncredited cast (including the actors listed as uncredited) and I personally don't really think that the profile should include the likes of Malcolm X simply because some old T.V. footage was used in the film. Would you remove them? Any opinions welcome! I've at this moment, removed them locally, but before I submit the profile with the removals, I wanted to see what others thought. Oh, and according to the CLT results, it appears that a ton of JFK profiles out there are in need of an update (for example, Jodi Farber is credited as such, and as of the moment, it looks like about 40 profiles have her credited as Jodie Farber, the name IMDB uses), so just throwing that out there as well!  | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
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| Registered: April 14, 2007 |  Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | I could have sworn there was a mention of not including cast from Archival footage in a film, but I can't find it in the rules. Personally I would remove them, submit it, and see how the voting goes. Bill Clinton is shown at the beginning of CRIMSON TIDE, but is not listed in the cast in that movie's profile. | | | | Chris |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Like cmaeditor, I seem to remember a ruling not to include archival footage cast some time ago.
So I'd say go right ahead and submit! | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | The thing about most (archive) entries is that they are not actors in any sense of the word!  It's usually just existing footage shown in a film featuring real-life people. For example, I seriously doubt Adolf Hitler "acted" in a WW11 film produced in 1992. So yes, remove them!  | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agree with others. The only time I could possibly see allowing such credits (when not actually in the cast list) is with documentaries. And even then, I would only enter them if it was footage relevant to the material, such as an old interview, not just brief footage. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agree with the others too, with possibly a minor exception:
films like "Forrest Gump" or "Dead Man Don't Wear Plaid", I'm still not sure how to handle the uncredited "cast" here.
While I see that they were obviously not acting for this movies they were fitted in to give exactly this impression. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree also. I tend to remove most uncredited cast anyway...but archival uc's are even more of a waste of space IMO. |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goblinsdoitall: Quote:
Agree with the others too, with possibly a minor exception:
films like "Forrest Gump" or "Dead Man Don't Wear Plaid", I'm still not sure how to handle the uncredited "cast" here.
While I see that they were obviously not acting for this movies they were fitted in to give exactly this impression. "Dead Man Don't Wear Plaid" gave them on screen credits just like the live action players so that one is easy. "Gump" and to a lesser degree "Contact" are more interesting/problematic. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,879 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agree with the others here too. Remove the uncredited archival credits, with some exceptions for documentaries, and maybe Forrest Gump and Contact. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | If they didn't actually participate in the making of the film, they shouldn't be entered. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | If they're credited in the cast list I'll enter them. If not then I'll leave them out & have successfully removed a few uncredited archive footage roles from a few profiles. |
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| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
If they didn't actually participate in the making of the film, they shouldn't be entered. Agreed!  | | | Berak
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| Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote:
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If they didn't actually participate in the making of the film, they shouldn't be entered.
Agreed! I can agree with this to an extent, but what about films like Forrest Gump (as mentioned). Like tweeter said, it's problematic as Gump is actually interacting with some of these folks as opposed to them being on TV in the background. How would those be handled? | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
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If they didn't actually participate in the making of the film, they shouldn't be entered.
Agreed!
I can agree with this to an extent, but what about films like Forrest Gump (as mentioned). Like tweeter said, it's problematic as Gump is actually interacting with some of these folks as opposed to them being on TV in the background. How would those be handled? Another good example of interaction between actors & archive footage actors is the 5th Season episode of Deep Space Nine - Trials and Tribble-ations. I've just checked the episode & in this case they're credited with "Actors Appearing in the original Star Trek episode". |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
I can agree with this to an extent, but what about films like Forrest Gump (as mentioned). Like tweeter said, it's problematic as Gump is actually interacting with some of these folks as opposed to them being on TV in the background. How would those be handled? I am actually on the fence about this one. I know that they were integrated into the story, but they didn't actually participate. Tough call. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Alien Redrum:
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I can agree with this to an extent, but what about films like Forrest Gump (as mentioned). Like tweeter said, it's problematic as Gump is actually interacting with some of these folks as opposed to them being on TV in the background. How would those be handled?
I am actually on the fence about this one. I know that they were integrated into the story, but they didn't actually participate. Tough call. Make room on the fence  I kind of want the archive credit in films such as Forrest Gump, but can also understand the argument why others don't. | | |  | | | | Last edited: by hayley taylor |
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