Hi guys and garls,

Today I send a submission of a movie in which I took a portion of the cast in another movie of the same title (but different UPC) in order to enrich and make the list as complete as possible.

I have found numerous title which had uncredited cast members in the database: Understanding that we are to use the movie itself to obtain the crew and cast, how can uncredited information be used in the listing of a movie without using other sources as stipulated? I know many other web sites which do have uncredited staff in their listing....

Oh a good example to that would be Star Trek: Nemesis.. at the opening scene we see "Wil Wheaton: Wesley Crusher" but he does not appear on the credits at the end of the movie.... (I was working on my list of that movie, this is how I picked it up haha)

So are we allowed to use names of uncredited cast and crew from other sites? If not, how are you guys bringing them into your list?

Eric

Adding to what Skip already stated:

(uncredited) crew can not be added under any circumstances.

We can add (uncredited) cast, but they must be documented either by information from other websites, visual verification from watching the film, mentioned in special features on the disc, books, etc. Multiple sources of verification listed for uncredited actors are generally the best.

A lot of the (uncredited) entries are in the database from when the database moved from Intervocative over to Invelos, thus don't have proper documentation listed. Some of them are accurate, and some aren't. It's usually safe to remove them in a contribution if they were originally added with no documentation.

If a cast member like "Wil Wheaton: Wesley Crusher" is only listed in the opening credits (but not in the end credits) then they would get a standard credit...but such a credit would have to be listed before any of the actors listed in the end credits.

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Now I am facing a challenge.. should I go through all my collection and removed the 'uncredited' information - from newer movie

Just because a profile has uncredited cast members in it does not mean that they where not verified. In a perfect world or data base all uncredited cast members where verified at one time (one would hope)

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Today I send a submission of a movie in which I took a portion of the cast in another movie of the same title (but different UPC) in order to enrich and make the list as complete as possible.

I have found numerous title which had uncredited cast members in the database: Understanding that we are to use the movie itself to obtain the crew and cast, how can uncredited information be used in the listing of a movie without using other sources as stipulated? I know many other web sites which do have uncredited staff in their listing....

If you take cast credits from another movies profiles and it has uncredit cast members you should document the soucre for the uncredited people in your notes. If the other profiles has them documented (they should) copy that documentation (source) in your notes.

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Oh a good example to that would be Star Trek: Nemesis.. at the opening scene we see "Wil Wheaton: Wesley Crusher" but he does not appear on the credits at the end of the movie.... (I was working on my list of that movie, this is how I picked it up haha)

This does not make him uncredited. We can take credits from the opening credit as well.

Actually, I believe what Eric is saying isn't that Will Wheaton has a on-screen written line of credit in the wedding scene in Nemesis - he doesn't.  However, Wheaton (as the character Wesley Crusher) is sitting next to Gates McFadden (on her right) in that scene but has no on-screen credit. 

Wheaton would, therefore, be listed as uncredited cast.  Any Trek fan can ID him by sight.  Some other Trek actors can be spotted as well for sight-ID, including Whoopi Goldberg (Guinan) and Michelle Forbes (Ro Laren).

Basically, Eric, that's your answer.  If you can ID on sight an actor in a film who is given no credit, include him or her.  It will help if you can add in your contribution notes what scene the actor was seen in and some sites (multiple) to back you up. 

It should be also said, however, that the previous point of beginning credits heading a credit list is also correct.  It's just that they don't apply in this specific case.

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It's usually safe to remove them in a contribution if they were originally added with no documentation.

Safe?  Yes.  Popular?  No.

If you want a lot of 'no' votes for your contributions just try removing undocumented uncredited cast.  People will treat you like you just slapped their momma.

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Quoting Katatonia:

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It's usually safe to remove them in a contribution if they were originally added with no documentation.

Safe?  Yes.  Popular?  No.

If you want a lot of 'no' votes for your contributions just try removing undocumented uncredited cast.  People will treat you like you just slapped their momma.

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Yes, that's perfectly true. I usually don't even bother with removing them personally.

I haven't really noticed a lot of 'no' votes for those who do remove them in a wider contribution however. If it's some blatantly obvious (uncredited) entry though...

Hello guys,

We should get more than 5 positives vote per day haha... so many excellent points that clarified so much! (by the way, I did search on the forum that question before posting this one... again! But the details some of you went in was clearer for my French little head)

So what I will do, is check the copy I own and see if they were 'crosschecked' with valid sources as point out.. should they not be, then I will do what any collector would do! :-)

Regards!

Eric

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On the Wil Wheaton issue, the original poster states that he is credited on screen at the beginning of the movie, therefore, he is not uncredited and should be listed in the cast list before those in the ending credits.

I believe that people are misunderstanding what the OP said.  As far as Nemesis goes, there is no on screen credit given for Wheaton - there are no credits at the beginning of the movie for either cast or crew, this I have personally verified from my copy. 

The OP:

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at the opening scene we see "Wil Wheaton: Wesley Crusher"

We do indeed see Wheaton.  He is sitting to the right of Gates McFadden (Beverly Crusher) in the wedding scene.    We also see Whoopi Goldberg (Guinan) at one of the tables. 

However - I hadn't looked at the end credits last night and Wil Wheaton is listed close to the end of the cast credits, just above Majel Barrett Roddenberry.  So Wheaton isn't uncredited cast at all.  Whoopi, however, does remain uncredited.  Since I have the credits up right now, I'll go correct it.

Yes, I misunderstood.