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| Registered: October 3, 2008 |  Posts: 260 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hi everyone! This is my first forum post! Just curious, does anyone else think some users are WAY too picky on what they vote yes or no on? i have a movie where the run time on the back says 3 hours and 18 minutes and someone shot me a no vote because their dvd player says 3 hours and 28 minutes! Come On!! Does everyone out there before contributing a dvd wait till the last tic of time goes on there dvd and say that is the end. Maybe the time on the back is the actual movie time. And besides am i not to believe the ACTUAL dvd back cover and instead beleive someone's player? Also - Contributed scans - some movies i add have scans in the database and they look like CRAP, but when i add a scan i get "not cropped correct" or "crooked scan". It's not like I am not trying to make them look perfect , but to me it seems like some users get off on the negativity. Anyway just wondering if any users experience this too.... Hey maybe it's just me. I do have 2 kids (ages 3 and 2) and a life.  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Unfortunately the covers are often inaccurate, and while I'm not picky about seconds, 10 minutes is rather a lot imo. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 950 |
| | Posted: | | | | Nope, the back cover, as I stated in my no vote (I'm the picky voter), is incorrect. It's fairly easy to double check the time of the movie, in fact, just takes a few moments and accuracy is what the program is striving for. While no one is 100% perfect, that's what we're aiming for. The best database we can get. Covers are known to have misspellings, wrong audio information, wrong actors...I could go on. The disc itself will have the most accurate information...that's why the rules say take the credits from here, not the cover and so forth.
One of the options for this program is to chose a dvd by runtime. Maybe a minute or so in either direction wouldn't be a problem, but several minutes would be if the person only has a specific time frame to watch a movie in.
As I said in my vote, I agree with your cast information, coming from the dvd credits, however, the time is incorrect and want the database to keep the correct information. If you were to resubmit the cast alone or with any other correct changes, I'd vote yes. However, what you have submitted is incorrect and cannot receive a yes vote from me, at least. | | | | Lori |
| | Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, I, for one, would accept a crooked better scan over a nicely straight junky scan. I can always straighten it to my hearts content once I get it. So, in that regard, I'm not so picky. But a running time being off by ten minutes... I think I'd vote No on that myself. Hell, I'd probably vote no if it were just a minute off. I guess I'm fickle...  | | | | "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world because they'd never expect it." - Jack Handey |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have to agree that being 10 minutes off is not data I want in my database. If that's being picky, then I accept the label. Sorry.  | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| | Registered: October 3, 2008 | | Posts: 260 |
| | Posted: | | | | as far as picky, yes 10 minutes is alot but should i check all my dvds when the back says a certain time in case they are off? I am sorry for trusting the dvd case for run time. I agree that no one is 100% perfect. Also can't a private message be sent before voting no? I am a new member and coming from DVDSpot the rules seem alot different! I'm adjusting. When i tried submitted cast info before i included a weblink just so people knew i wasn't making up cast members(John Browneye as Uncle Charlie) and the no votes are fast and furious. Just once (maybe more) i would like to receive a yes vote. I guess i better start checking those dvd runtimes!  A big thanks to Broven for at least agreeing about the scans, we need to work on stopping the negativity. Thanks to all who replied!(even LJG - nothing but love, don't hate me...yet!) |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 950 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't hate...yet... LoL. No votes shouldn't be taken as a personal thing...believe me. I had one a few weeks ago that took 3 tries before it got approved because of little things. But eventually, it was worked out and while I was frustrated with the process, I just wanted to get the correct information in the database.
Basically everything from the back should be double checked...well, maybe not overview, but audio, cc, DL, menu features, it all should be double checked. Some users have special programs and nicer dvd players/computers than others and can tell more information...I have to go by the cover to see if something is DL or not while others have a more reliable way of telling. And if you do find something is different than what the cover says, mention that in the contribution notes so the next person who comes along sees where that information came from. You can go back and read the old notes and it tracks the profile throughout its life.
To start a profile, I'd say you can use/trust the back cover. But when others go in and double check the information, you have to vote yes to the right information being entered because there are going to be exceptions. I know when I first start a profile, I'll use the cover information. But then next time I go to review it, I double check all the information on the disc before submitting it.
And while PM can be utilized, most of the time, it is not with contributions. I'll be honest...it's a lot quicker and easier putting the information in the no vote. You can resubmit with updated contribution notes if you still think you're right and if you double check and realize it's wrong, you can remove the contribution.
If I get a no vote I don't understand, I'll PM the user who gave it and see what they have to say...Most of the time it gets worked out fairly easily...either I see where I went wrong or they do. Sometimes we both agree to disagree and let the contirbution stand and see if it gets approved or not by the ultimate authority.
We all appreciate new people coming in and helping us with the database...it is user created and the more people coming in and submitting information, the better. But I will be the first to admit a lot of us are perfectionists and we're also pretty vocal (you might have noticed). But I think we're all pretty open to questions too...you have a doubt, feel free to ask...the contribution forum is great for that and I've had several questions taken care of quickly.
Well, that was long winded...but anyway, welcome to the madhouse, feel free to ask questions and never take no votes personally... | | | | Lori |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | No, you do not need to check every disc. If a user gives you a no vote, they are supposed to provide a reason. If the reason is valid, i.e. runtime, then as the submitter, you should verify that contribution. If the person giving a no vote is correct, then you should correct your database, resubmit and state the correction. We are not here to see who can submit the most, but to get the right data.
I have resubmitted a number of entries, some were errors or mistypes, others were things that people brought to my attention. I accepted the comments, verified on my own, and made corrections when necessary.
no real big issue. at least in the end, I knew that my submissions were as accurate as I can make. |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,918 |
| | Posted: | | | | Personally, if the cover says 3 hours and 18 minutes but the DVD player says 3 hours and 28 minutes, then the cover is wrong.
Since we can't vote yes to this and no to that, people tend to vote no on any bad data. Sorry, 3 hours and 18 minutes is wrong if the players say 3 hours and 28 minutes.
It's nothing personal. |
| | Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting brimac5477: Quote:
as far as picky, yes 10 minutes is alot but should i check all my dvds when the back says a certain time in case they are off? I am sorry for trusting the dvd case for run time. I agree that no one is 100% perfect. Also can't a private message be sent before voting no? I am a new member and coming from DVDSpot the rules seem alot different! I'm adjusting. When i tried submitted cast info before i included a weblink just so people knew i wasn't making up cast members(John Browneye as Uncle Charlie) and the no votes are fast and furious. Just once (maybe more) i would like to receive a yes vote. I guess i better start checking those dvd runtimes!
A big thanks to Broven for at least agreeing about the scans, we need to work on stopping the negativity. Thanks to all who replied!(even LJG - nothing but love, don't hate me...yet!) Partial contributions are just fine (although the more the better, obviously). If you don't want to check the runtime, that's okay, but then don't contribute it with the rest of your contribution. | | | | Hans |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Brimac:
You may call it picky. But we have Rules that explain ALL of this, including Run Time. If you were changing the runtime that had already been checked on the DVD and posted, the you deserved a No vote...MANY no votes. Read the Rules, Follow them and you atre good, ignore them and well...then you have to live with the results of that.
I am glad you have a life, most of us do, there is nothing that says you must Contribute, but if you do you MUST follow the Rules. We want everyone to Contribute it makes all of our lives a little easier. You have not gotten off to a real good start with your first post being both complaining and displaying an attitude. Profiler does not conform to YOU, ME, Pete or any of our friends, you conform to Profiler. This program has been around for over 8 years now.
The Introduction to our Rules says
"Introduction
Thank you for your interest in contributing to the DVD Profiler main database!
As part of our ongoing quest to maintain, improve and refine our DVD database, we have created these rules. These rules apply to online contributions. You can use DVD Profiler locally, or you can contribute to the main online database, or you can do both. If you want to contribute to the online database, the rules tell you how to complete each DVD Profiler field.
If you wish to save different information in your local profiles, you are free to do so in your local database, but do not contribute your information. The main database is standardized so that all profiles follow these rules. DVD Profiler allows you to lock your data so that it is not overwritten by updates from the main database.
The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself. Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover. In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible.
Note that it does not say the back of the case or anything else, it says the DVD itself. Many hundreds of thousands of man-hours have been expended by users to get the database where it is today. A bull in the china shop can scramble that hard work very quickly. Follow the Rules and you're cool. Some of us have been here for MANY years, along comes brimac and he demonstrates that he doesn't care about any of that...come on, pal. We aren't that hard to get along with but, we can be very tough. Welcome to our little asylum, Nurse Ratched has your rpivate room and sdtrait jacket already for you.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting brimac5477: Quote:
Hi everyone! This is my first forum post! Just curious, does anyone else think some users are WAY too picky on what they vote yes or no on? i have a movie where the run time on the back says 3 hours and 18 minutes and someone shot me a no vote because their dvd player says 3 hours and 28 minutes! Come On!! Does everyone out there before contributing a dvd wait till the last tic of time goes on there dvd and say that is the end. Maybe the time on the back is the actual movie time. And besides am i not to believe the ACTUAL dvd back cover and instead beleive someone's player? Also - Contributed scans - some movies i add have scans in the database and they look like CRAP, but when i add a scan i get "not cropped correct" or "crooked scan". It's not like I am not trying to make them look perfect , but to me it seems like some users get off on the negativity. Anyway just wondering if any users experience this too.... Hey maybe it's just me. I do have 2 kids (ages 3 and 2) and a life. I would have voted no as well. I check every profile I do with powerdvd... and I will change it if it does not match the back of the case. Even for a single minute. To me... I think it is more important to have accurate information in profiler then have a wrong running time just because the box states that is what it is. Yeah.... maybe I am too picky in some people's eyes... but if the info is not accurate and/or per the rules for contributions then it gets a no vote from me. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,774 |
| | Posted: | | | | Picky, and proud of it.  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,380 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting brimac5477: Quote:
Hi everyone! This is my first forum post! Just curious, does anyone else think some users are WAY too picky on what they vote yes or no on? i have a movie where the run time on the back says 3 hours and 18 minutes and someone shot me a no vote because their dvd player says 3 hours and 28 minutes! Come On!! Does everyone out there before contributing a dvd wait till the last tic of time goes on there dvd and say that is the end. Maybe the time on the back is the actual movie time. And besides am i not to believe the ACTUAL dvd back cover and instead beleive someone's player? Also - Contributed scans - some movies i add have scans in the database and they look like CRAP, but when i add a scan i get "not cropped correct" or "crooked scan". It's not like I am not trying to make them look perfect , but to me it seems like some users get off on the negativity. Anyway just wondering if any users experience this too.... Hey maybe it's just me. I do have 2 kids (ages 3 and 2) and a life. Are users too picky? Yes. But a No vote is not a "negative" vote. For contributing the wrong running time YOU werent wrong, the DVD cover was wrong. I personally never check them, if no one has stated a source for a diffrent running time then whats on the cover, i change it to the one on the cover. After the No vote i would have 2 options, withdraw and recontribute either without the running time, or check the running time myself. For scans i have experienced that myself, some users dont realise that a better scan is better. And voting No against a better scan is against the rules. I would ignore the No vote in such case. |
| | Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | If you've already checked through the end credits, it takes just a few more seconds to FF to the very end and take note of the actual runtime. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
If you've already checked through the end credits, it takes just a few more seconds to FF to the very end and take note of the actual runtime. If you use something like PowerDVD... all you have to do is have the info box turned on and it tells you automatically how long it is... no need to FF to the very end. | | | | Pete |
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