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Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,998 |
| Posted: | | | | When you are entering the Distributor should you put in the locality suffix or not? Paramount Home Entertainment or Paramount Home Entertainment (UK) |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | The latest discussion on this in the Contribution Rules Committee forum here showed a pretty overwhelming support for eliminating these locality suffixes. Now that we're finally able to track the DVD distributor for all our profiles (as opposed the previous "only if there's room for it" approach), it would be a shame not be able to filter on the general "Paramount Home Entertainment", but instead being stuck with a bunch of separate PHE-entries, one for each locality, each with it's own suffix. If I want to filter on locality, I'll do that, but there's no reason to repeat it in the DVD distributor field. IMHO, these locality suffixes are just as unwanted/pointless as the various "Inc." "Ltd." company suffixes that we always leave out. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,293 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: The latest discussion on this in the Contribution Rules Committee forum here showed a pretty overwhelming support for eliminating these locality suffixes. Now that we're finally able to track the DVD distributor for all our profiles (as opposed the previous "only if there's room for it" approach), it would be a shame not be able to filter on the general "Paramount Home Entertainment", but instead being stuck with a bunch of separate PHE-entries, one for each locality, each with it's own suffix. If I want to filter on locality, I'll do that, but there's no reason to repeat it in the DVD distributor field. IMHO, these locality suffixes are just as unwanted/pointless as the various "Inc." "Ltd." company suffixes that we always leave out. What T!M said; I've wanted rid of these for ages and it's good if we're generally in agreement! | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 3,830 |
| Posted: | | | | We are speaking DVD distributor? it all depends: if you are into local distributors and foreign distributors? is the big international dvd distributor allways the same distributor localy?
I failed to see the "pretty overwhelming support for eliminating these locality suffixes" in that thread | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | Berak | Bibamus morieundum est! |
Registered: May 10, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | If there is a Country suffix on the cover, then that is what we should enter IMO. I can't see that this is any different than the lenghty discussion we've had regarding Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment recently. | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away! True love conquers all! | | | Last edited: by Berak |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote: I can't see that this is any different than the lenghty discussion we've had regarding Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment recently. We drop the ", Inc." suffix from Fox's credit, don't we? This is a similarly pointless suffix that doesn't tell us anything - we already know that it's a U.K. profile because we track that in the "locality" field. If you own DVD's from a number of different regions and/or localities, you'll find that only purpose these suffixes serve, is to break DVD Profiler's functionality to show you all your "Paramount Home Entertainment" DVD's with one simple filter. There's nothing to gain whatsoever by including these suffixes, as, again, we already store the locality of the profile elsewhere. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Berak | Bibamus morieundum est! |
Registered: May 10, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting Berak:
Quote: I can't see that this is any different than the lenghty discussion we've had regarding Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment recently. We drop the ", Inc." suffix from Fox's credit, don't we? This is a similarly pointless suffix that doesn't tell us anything - we already know the profile's locality is U.K. because of the profile's locality. Corporate identifiers and localities are two different issues IMO. If the company is credited with a locality identifier, then we should enter it as such. | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away! True love conquers all! |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 3,830 |
| Posted: | | | | is the link always locality = local distributor? Think not? South Africa comes in to my mind or was it Australië some thread about rating sticker slapped on UK or US DVD's. | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote: If the company is credited with a locality identifier, then we should enter it as such. Well, I strongly disagree. Again, like the corporate identifiers, including them serves no purpose whatsoever. The upcoming re-population of the distributor field is the ideal moment to weed these out once and for all. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | LOL, I have no position on this. But according to Tim's argument, which I agree with, we should STOP entering Widescreen, Widescreen Collection et al because we have that information elsewhere in the program...unless of course there is a FF edition as well.
I will say that it does seem to me that the (UK) is an issue, since Warner (UK) does not guarantee that they don't distribute to say, the Netherlands, for example
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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| | Berak | Bibamus morieundum est! |
Registered: May 10, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting Berak:
Quote: If the company is credited with a locality identifier, then we should enter it as such. Well, I strongly disagree. Again, like the corporate identifiers, including them serves no purpose whatsoever. The upcoming re-population of the distributor field is the ideal moment to weed these out once and for all. I agree that thiis is the ideal moment to make a desicion on the matter. We have different opinions, yes, but that's just healthy.. Either way will be fine by me, as long as we all do it the same way... | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away! True love conquers all! |
| Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,998 |
| Posted: | | | | Quote: Either way will be fine by me, as long as we all do it the same way... Ditto |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,380 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: This is a similarly pointless suffix that doesn't tell us anything So Universal Pictures the studio and Universal Pictures Finland the finnish distributor are essentially the exact same thing? It tells us that its a diffrent company, which is exactly why they chose a diffrent name in the first place. I say keep them, as they are registered companys, and are part of the name. I dont hear anyone saying that we should group every single studio from Universal to NBC Universal just to make it easier, this is no diffrent. IF the company is just a side office in another country thats a diffrent thing, but these are usually proper companys. | | | Last edited: by whispering |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 302 |
| Posted: | | | | thats not an esthetic discussion here. it's fact that the company is called "Warner Home Video Germany". Germany is part of the name, so it should be contributed exactly this way. Same is "Universal Pictures Germany" | | | regards, Mad -
My HD-Media, DVDs, Laserdiscs |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting whispering: Quote: So Universal Pictures the studio and Universal Pictures Finland the finnish distributor are essentially the exact same thing? No, they're not, obviously. The studio "Universal Pictures" goes in the "studios" field, and the distributor "Universal Pictures", if that's the name they use, goes into the new "media distributor" field. Quote: IF the company is just a side office in another country thats a diffrent thing That's exactly what it is. The locality suffix is just an indication of that it's a local branch of a larger, international company. In many cases, "Universal Pictures Finland" will sell you the exact same disc in Finland as "Universal Pictures (UK)" will sell in the U.K. - just with a localized cover. In other cases, they may actually adjust the content a little (different audio tracks/subtitles, for instance), but IMHO they're both still "Universal Pictures"-distributed DVD's, though. I reiterate that we already store the locality of the disc elsewhere, meaning there's nothing to gain, while leaving them out gets us a less bloated studio list plus the ability to have DVD Profiler show you a list of all the "Universal Pictures" DVD's in your collection. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,380 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: That's exactly what it is. The locality suffix is just an indication of that it's a local branch of a larger, international company. In many cases, "Universal Pictures Finland" will sell you the exact same disc in Finland as "Universal Pictures (UK)" will sell in the U.K. - just with a localized cover. In other cases, they may actually adjust the content a little (different audio tracks/subtitles, for instance), but IMHO they're both still "Universal Pictures"-distributed DVD's, though. I reiterate that we already store the locality of the disc elsewhere, meaning there's nothing to gain, while leaving them out gets us a less bloated studio list plus the ability to have DVD Profiler show you a list of all the "Universal Pictures" DVD's in your collection. I have checked the companys from finnish company database, they are real Ltd companys. IF e.g. FS Film releases a movie here, its STILL the same disc, that has nothing to do with the situation here. You seem to imply that we should get rid of distributors all together? Since localizing is pretty much the only thing they do at least here, no matter which name. If i filter by Universal Pictures, what results will i get? Thats right, the studio. The distributor is called Universal Studios Home Entertainment. I will gain nothing. |
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