Kirk Woller

Kirk BR Woller

Kirk B. R. Woller (79)
40 titles After the Sunset (verifyed by me)
39 titles Flightplan (verifyed by snarbo)

Kirk B.R. Woller (431)
25 titles 24: Season 5 (verifyed by me)
12 titles Bones: Season One (verifyed by me)
03 titles Firetrap (verifyed by me)
47 titles Flags of Our Fathers (verifyed by antolod)
91 titles Hulk (verifyed by me)
53 titles Mercury Rising (verifyed by antolod)
83 titles Minority Report (verifyed by me)
49 titles Poseidon (verifyed by snarbo)
29 titles Swordfish (verifyed by me)
39 titles X-Files: Season 8
  - 01. Within (verifyed by me)
  - 02. Without (verifyed by me)
  - 07. Via Negativa (verifyed by me)
  - 20. Essence (verifyed by me)
  - 21. Existence (verifyed by me)

UNCREDITED: (-17)
17 titles I.A. Inteligencia Artificial (verifyed by me) (< wrong uncredited: sources indicate this was a delete scene)

UNDECIDED: B. R. or B.R. unknown to be exact, font: (50)
50 titles Resident Evil: Extinction

"Kirk Woller" is credited in the following 1 titles (1 profiles):
"Kirk BR Woller" is credited in the following 4 titles (4 profiles):
"Kirk B R woller" is credited in the following 0 titles (0 profiles):
"Kirk B.R. Woller" is credited in the following 192 titles (471 profiles):
"Kirk B. R. Woller" is credited in the following 160 titles (385 profiles):

Unknown (309)

(28 titles) Alias: Season 1
(16 titles) Big Momma's House 2
(01 titles) Biohazard III
(13 titles) Boa vs. Python
(01 titles) Brooklyn South: The Complete Series
(19 titles) Charmed: Season 6
(05 titles) Criminal Minds: The First Season
(17 titles) CSI: Crime Scene Investigation - Complete Season Two
(10 titles) CSI: Miami: Season One
(03 titles) Dead and Deader
(05 titles) ER: The Complete Seventh Season
(06 titles) Face of Terror
(04 titles) Global Effect
(04 titles) Helter Skelter
(02 titles) Hometown Legend
(02 titles) Klepto
(02 titles) Midnight Clear
(11 titles) NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service: The Complete First Season
(07 titles) NYPD Blue: Season 03
(04 titles) Over There
  - 2. Roadblock Duty
  - 3. Prisoner
  - 5. Embedded
(07 titles) Path To War
(02 titles) Renegade Justice
(50 titles) Resident Evil: Extinction <= can someone upload at screenshot of this credit?
(76 titles) The Ring 2
(07 titles) The Unit: Season 1
(07 titles) Urban Justice

could you help finding out how to credit this CREW/CAST by verifying the movie credit on dvd if you have this dvd at hand and some time to do so?
Your co-operation is valued

you are turning with the wind, T!M

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I can assure you that Kirk B. R. Woller (WITH the space) is actually the most-credited form.

This is so easy T!M, credit what is in the movie credits, don't make up credits. One of the credits will become the most common credited form. And then the credit will be one or the other:

Kirk B. R. Woller [Kirk B.R. Woller]

Kirk B.R. Woller [Kirk B. R. Woller]

changing the credit to what one believes to be correct that is personal prefference.

I see in my local DB 3 credits:
Kirk B. R. Woller
Kirk B.R. Woller
Kirk BR Woller
so I use the Credit Lookup tool
"Kirk Woller" is credited in the following 1 titles (1 profiles):
"Kirk BR Woller" is credited in the following 4 titles (4 profiles):
"Kirk B R woller" is credited in the following 0 titles (0 profiles):
"Kirk B.R. Woller" is credited in the following 192 titles (471 profiles): this is not a small lead!
"Kirk B. R. Woller" is credited in the following 160 titles (385 profiles):
The rules are very clear on this:

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take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.  Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.

Use the "Credited As" field where the actor's name differs from the credited name.

Who is failing to follow the rules miserably?

Quoting Giga Wizard:

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The rules are very clear on this:

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take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.  Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.

Use the "Credited As" field where the actor's name differs from the credited name.

Who is failing to follow the rules miserably?

Once again these rules are about names and not about parsing blank spaces in between initials.

@ Giga Wizard: so, we've established that you prefer not to use a space, while I do. I'd like to point out once more that I feel my method is a logical extrapolation of the fact that DVD Profiler itself a presents A./B./C. as A. B. C. - why handle four-piece names different than three-piece names? I'm simply extending the way how DVD Profiler deals with three-piece names. Anyway, as I was saying: we both stated our preference. That's nice. Unfortunately, it won't get us anywhere.

The point I'm trying to make is that as long as the rules don't address this - and they don't - we'll never get all those pointless double entries cleaned up. The situation isn't helped by the fact that it's not even always easy to determine whether there's actually a space or not - for instance, looking at your screencaps, I definitely see more space between the "B." and the "R." in the 'Swordfish' credit. Clearly not as much as a "regular" space, I'll grant you that, but all in all it sure looks different than the ones above and below it. And judging from the CLT results I'm not the only one: this credit is mostly entered as "B. R." So there you go: if we can't even agree about what's on-screen - people will see what they want to see - this will never end.

Bottom line: the lack or presence of a space in names and the lack or presence of a comma in suffixed names desperately need to be addressed in the rules. I could simply stop contributing and just set my own standards, but I'd rather keep sharing my work with the community, so I promise to take pretty much any decision on the subject made by Ken. But he does have to make a decision: as long as he doesn't, the situation won't improve.

Additionally, I can't help but feeling that neither a bunch of "Kirk B. R. Woller credited as Kirk B.R. Woller" entries nor a set of "Kirk B.R. Woller credited as Kirk B. R. Woller" ones actually add much value to the database. So while I can't imagine that either of these sound particularly enthralling to any of us, I do feel we've lost valuable information by splitting 856 entries for the same person into 471 "Kirk B.R. Woller" ones and 385 "Kirk B. R. Woller" ones - that don't link! IMHO that's what this is all about, and I feel Ken finally needs to come out and address these issues.

Quoting CalebAndCo:

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Well stated.

Agree.

Quoting T!M:

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Additionally, I can't help but feeling that neither a bunch of "Kirk B. R. Woller credited as Kirk B.R. Woller" entries nor a set of "Kirk B.R. Woller credited as Kirk B. R. Woller" ones actually add much value to the database. So while I can't imagine that either of these sound particularly enthralling to any of us, I do feel we've lost valuable information by splitting 856 entries for the same person into 471 "Kirk B.R. Woller" ones and 385 "Kirk B. R. Woller" ones - that don't link! IMHO that's what this is all about, and I feel Ken finally needs to come out and address these issues.

Good analysis, Tim.  Clearly there is a need to establish what the "common name" is for Mr. Woller and "fix" those profiles in the database that use a different variant of the name.  I personally don't feel strongly either way ("B.R." or "B. R.") but I agree that all 856 entries should share the same common name for linking purposes.  I wonder how in the world we will ever get to that point when we don't seem to be able to agree upon which it is?  I can only say that right or wrong, it would involve less work to "change" 385 entries from "B. R." to "B.R." than to change 471 entries from "B.R." to "B. R." -- we'd need to edit 86 fewer profiles to go to "B.R."

Quoting kdh1949:

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we'd need to edit 86 fewer profiles to go to "B.R."

That's the danger when we're using specific examples to discuss the problem: that sounds logical, but it may well be the other way around for the next affected person, so it really doesn't matter. People have suggested the "fewest profiles to edit"-approach in numerous debates, but in reality it almost always results in propagating the IMDb-name variant for years to come, as that's where the largest chunk of our data came from.

In the end, we can hardly call "Kirk B.R. Woller" and "Kirk B. R. Woller" two name variants: they're exactly the same, except for a purely a stylistic choice on the part of the guy responsible for the credits. I assume this is all a total non-issue to that guy, and I'll also venture a guess and say that Mr. Woller probably isn't losing a whole lot of sleep worrying over whether he's credited with our without a space between his middle initials, so why can't we deal with this in a simple manner? I expect that 99% of our users aren't interested that much in whether we use "Kirk B.R. Woller [Kirk B. R. Woller]" or the opposite: the "silent majority" of the DVD Profiler users just downloads a batch of profiles, notices that such near-identical entries don't link, and scratch their heads. And who can blame them? There's hardly anything to gain by recording the difference between either the presence or the lack of a space, yet we've succeeded in doing lots of serious damage by creating separate, non-linking entries for basically all affected names. I really hope Ken will settle this once and for all - both with regards to the presence/lack of these spaces, and the presence/lack of a comma in suffixed names as well.