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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantLewpy
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I own "Absolutely Everything" [5030697013637], which is all 4 series of "Absolutely" on DVD.
The packaging is a slip case with THINpak cases inside.
Each THINpak holds one DVD, of which there are 8 in total.
There are no barcodes or any other code on each of the THINpaks.
The DVDs hold the following episodes
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1 - Series 1 Episodes 1-3
2 - Series 1 Episodes 4-6
3 - Series 2 Episodes 1-4
4 - Series 2 Episodes 5-8
5 - Series 3 Episodes 1-3
6 - Series 3 Episodes 4-8
7 - Series 4 Episodes 1-6
8 - Bonus Materials


The question then comes as to how this should be treated in DVD Profiler: should it be a single profile holding all information, or should it be treated as a "Box-Set" and have a Parent profile and per-disc Child profiles?

The discussion point is the interpretation of the note at the bottom of the Rules page on TV Series, which is
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Note: In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile.


My Personal Opinion
When I read that note, I take it to mean that if a package contains multiple complete TV series, each individually packaged and identified (hence the capitalisation of "Complete TV Series", to signify a singular item in its own right) then each complete TV series can be created as a Child profile and the overall packaging becomes a Parent profile.
But in this case, the individual series are not individually packaged, and can not be individual identified. Even though no two series share the same DVD, they are not grouped in to individual series and there is an extra DVD which contains Bonus Material which is independant of any one series. So it can be viewed as an Anthologies of Episodes: an Anthology that includes all episodes.
Disc-Level Profiles can be created, but are optional, and should not modify the would-be Parent profile (I think the rules are clear on that point).

An update was made to the profile [while I was away] which added Disk-Level Profiles, and removed Parent profile details, stating
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Box Set: Disc ID's for child profiles.
Other Info: Removed as per Multi Season TV Box Set Rules.


I wish to reinstate the removed information (leaving behind the Disc-Level Profile information, for those that wish it), but the previous contributor is adamant they have followed the rules to the letter 
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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For a set such as you describe it can be handled BOTH ways (in this case you would be potentially operating at grandchild level).
Absolutely Everything: The Complete Series
  Absolutely Everything: Series 1
          Absolutely Everything: Series 1: Disc 1

You COULD set up at either the parent level or the Child level, but you would have an overwhelming quantity of data  to wade through, compared to grandchild.

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Billy Video
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Quoting skipnet50:
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For a set such as you describe it can be handled BOTH ways (in this case you would be potentially operating at grandchild level).
Absolutely Everything: The Complete Series
  Absolutely Everything: Series 1
          Absolutely Everything: Series 1: Disc 1

You COULD set up at either the parent level or the Child level, but you would have an overwhelming quantity of data  to wade through, compared to grandchild.

Skip


The problem with this approach is that the THINpaks in his Complete Series set lack UPC/EANs. Therefore, how does he set up the bolded step?

Absolutely Everything: The Complete Series
  Absolutely Everything: Series 1
          Absolutely Everything: Series 1: Disc 1
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The answer to your question, Max, is he can't.  Based on his description, this can only be profiled as one parent with 8 child profiles.

To the OP, you thinking on this is spot on.  While we can remove all the information from the parent in our local DB, we can not remove it from the on-line version.  The rule is clear:

When submitting a change to an existing TV series profile that is currently a box set, do not remove the existing contents.
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Hmmmm, good point, 8Ball. The way i would handle that would probably be local. IF UK does things the way they do in Nuttywood, then the individual Seies(Seasons) have been released as Free-standers. I would use those for my children, and use my artwork, if it was different for Local usage, always nasty when they play that game.

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Quoting skipnet50:
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For a set such as you describe it can be handled BOTH ways (in this case you would be potentially operating at grandchild level).
Absolutely Everything: The Complete Series
  Absolutely Everything: Series 1
          Absolutely Everything: Series 1: Disc 1

You COULD set up at either the parent level or the Child level, but you would have an overwhelming quantity of data  to wade through, compared to grandchild.


I can see where you are coming from but by doing that, you are artifically creating an "entity" for each Series, that doesn't actually exist (not physically).
And how would you handle the Bonus Material disc, that is not Series specific? That would be in its own Child profile?
The whole Generation Tree as you propose would look like this

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Absolutely Everything
      Absolutely: Series 1
              Absolutely: Series 1: Disc 1
              Absolutely: Series 1: Disc 2
      Absolutely: Series 2
              Absolutely: Series 2: Disc 1
              Absolutely: Series 2: Disc 2
      Absolutely: Series 3
              Absolutely: Series 3: Disc 1
              Absolutely: Series 3: Disc 2
      Absolutely: Series 4
      Absolutely Everything: Bonus Materials


Just to qualify: the TV series was called "Absolutely", and the whole set of TV series was released under the name "Absolutely Everything".

Update: Argh! You all posted too quick    Sorry Skip, I see you have already answered some of my questions in a post just before I submitted this one
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Quoting skipnet50:
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IF UK does things the way they do in Nuttywood, then the individual Seies(Seasons) have been released as Free-standers.

The TV series was aired in the late 80's/early 90's, and has never been released on DVD as individual series. They finally got round to releasing the whole lot in one go, with some Bonus Material thrown in 
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Lewpy:

Describe the physical configuration a little bit.

I'll use an example from stateside;
Get Smart: The Complete Series (Master Slip Case)
      Get Smart Season 1 ( Digipak / Slip Cover), this could also be a case conatining Keeps or Thins
                  Get Smart: Season 1: Disc One

IF they did not do that
Then look at My Collection for I Love Lucy: the Complete Series
In this set they did completely away with an individual Season packaging and just had 40 some odd discs in the set. Each one labeled appropriately, of course.

BTW I also own Get Smart and The Man from UNCLE Complete which may help you some.

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Describe the physical configuration a little bit.


Okay, I will try my best 

The packaging is a slip case with 8 individual THINpak cases inside.
Each THINpak holds one DVD.
There are no barcodes or any other code on each of the THINpaks.
The THINpaks are labelled on the spine, as follows
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Series 1 Episodes 1-3
Series 1 Episodes 4-6
Series 2 Episodes 1-4
Series 2 Episodes 5-8
Series 3 Episodes 1-3
Series 3 Episodes 4-8
Series 4 Episodes 1-6
Special Features
The spine text is repeated on the front cover of each THINpak but with the addition of the series name "Absolutely".
The rear of the THINpak contains a textual listing of any "SPECIFIC DVD SPECIAL FEATURES", such as "Episode 1 Cast Commentary".
The rear of the THINpak also includes the text/logo "Absolutely Everything", which ties it to being part of the complete release.

I've taken a photo, and uploaded it to my DVD Cover Scans directory (linked at bottom), but here is a direct URL. It's about a 2MB JPEG, and I've pulled out the THINpaks a bit to try to give you a better feel for the overall packaging.
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Going on your description Lewpy the correct way to Profile this set if I was doing it would be:-

Parent Profile -> The Main Case
  Child Profile 1 = Disc 1 (Disc ID) Episodes 1-3
  Child Profile 2 = Disc 2 (Disc ID) Episodes 4-6

etc

I seem to remember we covered this back at IVS whereby a multi-season box set (megaset ie Farscape Universe, Babylon 5 Universe) first came to light, although we didn't have child profiling then we had the ability to create profiles using the Disc ID which we could add to box set's

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Going on your description Lewpy the correct way to Profile this set if I was doing it would be:-

Parent Profile -> The Main Case
  Child Profile 1 = Disc 1 (Disc ID) Episodes 1-3
  Child Profile 2 = Disc 2 (Disc ID) Episodes 4-6

etc

But surely that is just creating Disk-Level profiles, which are optional, not "treating each series like a single film"? You are treating each disc like a single film.
I have no objection to the creation of Disk-Level profiles, but I don't personally use them so prefer not to be forced to use them 
I do have an objection to the removal of data from the Parent profile in this situation, based upon the Box-Set rules: no Disc IDs, no audio formats, no video formats, no subtitles, no features, etc.

Quoting snarbo:
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I seem to remember we covered this back at IVS whereby a multi-season box set (megaset ie Farscape Universe, Babylon 5 Universe) first came to light, although we didn't have child profiling then we had the ability to create profiles using the Disc ID which we could add to box set's


Apologies if this has been worked over before, but I did try to search the forums and it kept timing out 
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Quoting Lewpy:
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But surely that is just creating Disk-Level profiles, which are optional, not "treating each series like a single film"? You are treating each disc like a single film.
I have no objection to the creation of Disk-Level profiles, but I don't personally use them so prefer not to be forced to use them 
I do have an objection to the removal of data from the Parent profile in this situation, based upon the Box-Set rules: no Disc IDs, no audio formats, no video formats, no subtitles, no features, etc.


Yes, basically it is disc level profiling.

Unlike an ordinary Film box set, this set is of a TV Series...yes, therefore although a multi-season set can still be treated like a normal TV set whereby you leave the data in the Parent as well (for people who do not wish to use the child profiles.

Steve
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Quoting Lewpy:
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But surely that is just creating Disk-Level profiles, which are optional, not "treating each series like a single film"? You are treating each disc like a single film.


It is done this way because of how it is packaged.  We can't treat each series as a single film because they are not packaged together.  There is no identifier that can be used to combine the individual series discs.

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I do have an objection to the removal of data from the Parent profile in this situation, based upon the Box-Set rules: no Disc IDs, no audio formats, no video formats, no subtitles, no features, etc.


You have a valid objection.  The rules require that the parent profile contain all the data.
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I'm faced with profiling two such sets myself: M*A*S*H: The Martinis and Medicine Collection and the Stargate SG-1: The Complete Series. I've been putting these two off cuz I just can't seem to find the energy when I see how freak'n many discs there are .
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I'm faced with profiling two such sets myself: M*A*S*H: The Martinis and Medicine Collection and the Stargate SG-1: The Complete Series. I've been putting these two off cuz I just can't seem to find the energy when I see how freak'n many discs there are .


Max, Cheat use the already profiled individual seasons or at least the child profiles.

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It is done this way because of how it is packaged.  We can't treat each series as a single film because they are not packaged together.  There is no identifier that can be used to combine the individual series discs

Yes, I understand why you would use Disc-Level profiles, as single series are not packaged together
My questioning was based upon Steve's opening line
Quoting snarbo:
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Going on your description Lewpy the correct way to Profile this set if I was doing it would be:-

Parent Profile -> The Main Case
  Child Profile 1 = Disc 1 (Disc ID) Episodes 1-3
  Child Profile 2 = Disc 2 (Disc ID) Episodes 4-6

etc

"the correct way" implies the "Way of the Rules", but then he qualifies it with "if I was doing it" which implies personal preference 

What I am trying to fully understand is how it should be done according to the rules 

From my understanding, and do correct me if I am wrong, this profile should be done as a single Parent with full data, with optional Disk-Level profiles for those that wish them?
Have we agreed that this doesn't conform to a multiple Complete TV Series entry, because each individual series is not packaged seperately and therefore can not be profiled seperately?
Do you say  or 
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