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Starbug and Serenity present... HD case types! [Graphicsy] |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 775 |
| Posted: | | | | First of all I apologise as I'm no photographer which is why I've not put these in the sticky thread; perhaps someone with l33ter sk1llz yo can do some shots for that thread? I'm seeing another submission trying to change the R1 Blade runner BD from the correct HD Slim to HD Keep, and the votes are 19:1 in favour, which is wrong. In my experience, this mistake only take place with North American profiles; I'm not trying to point fingers, I'm just saying that to the best of my knowledge, North American hi-def consumers who only buy domestic won't have encountered a HD Keep, hence the confusion. I remember there was a thread around the time the HD Keep option was added to the program with pictures to this effect, but I couldn't find it. So I've taken some pictures to try and clear this up (click to embiggen): Here are the four main case types; left to right, we have the multidisc HD Keep, regular HD Keep, multidisc HD Slim, and regular HD Slim. Now, the good news for all the chaps is that size doesn't matter! The HD Keep (both multi and single) is the same thickness as a regular SD case, and also in the same way, both variations are the same externally. The slim cases are only as thick as is required by the number of discs. The regular Slim is about 3/4 of the thickness of a Keep, I think, but when you have a thicker one, such as the Blade Runner example depicted, it doesn't become a Keep by that token alone. The clasps are the giveaway; UK retail stores (and by the look of things Europe and Australia, too) use what's called the Red Tag system, which involves sticking a plastic and metal device into the openings in the middle of the clasp, preventing the case from being safely opened unless the retailer's machine is used to remove the tag before the customer takes the disc home. To the best of my knowledge, this is the reason for the very existence of the HD Keep cases, so that participating stores can continue to rely on the Red Tag for security. Even HD Keeps with slipcovers will be compatible with the Red Tag system; the UK release of Shrooms, for example, has a cutaway in the middle of the edge of the slipcover to allow access to the Red Tag clasp. There are some examples of HD slims that are the same thickness as an HD Keep, the only one that comes to mind is the Sarah Connor Chroncles S1 BD in the US. However, while it's difficult to describe, the long edges of the HD slims are slightly rounder then those of a HD Keep (or an SD keep, come to that). You can see this for yourself by comparing any HD Slim to any SD Keep. And of course this release also lacks the Red Tag clasp. Multidisc HD KeepExamples of usage: UK release of Bleak House Not the same as: The Blade Runner set below, Sarah Connor Chronicles S1 RA; anything in North America HD KeepExamples of usage: UK editions of All the Boys Love Mandy Lane, Diary of the Dead etc Not the same as: Anything in a slim; anything in North America Multidisc HD SlimExamples of usage: Prison Break S1 and S3, Sarah Connor Chronicles S1, Mad Men S1, Planet Earth - all US Not the same as: The Hotel Babylon set above HD SlimThe bread and butter case. Examples of usage: Practically all single releases in North America; also of note is the variant with a "clip" at the opening, which I forgot to photograph. Also, by putting a disc hub in the left-hand panel, you get versions of these which hold two discs. Not the same as: Well I think we all know this one That's about it; if anything's unclear or dead wrong then do please point it out so I can adjust it. I'm trying to inform, not incriminate. | | | Last edited: by Nadja |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 775 |
| Posted: | | | | Ah, I found the thread which promoted Ken to split the HD case types, this seems to back everything up. EDIT: Adding in some posts I made in other threads so they're all in the same place: Quoting Nadja: Quote: You have to follow it from the beginning to see how HD case types evolved. Of course to begin with there wasn't a type at all, they tended to be entered as Custom, or sometimes Keep. Whichever beta introduced the first type under the name "Elite". Most everyone accepted all HD cases as being under this banner, although the name itself, being a brand, was asked to be changed, so that became HD Slim. It was then that someone brought up the Red Tag variant, the cross between SD Keep and HD Slim, and proposed that the existing type be renamed Slim and there be a new one specifically for this Red Tag type (i.e. the European one), and THAT is what Ken acted on. Not that the case is bigger, but because it has fundamentally different physical characteristics to the various "slims". Width aside, slims have rounder edges, no red tag, and are the only type you'll find in Region A.
The slims, be they multidisc or single, be they thick or thin, are an original case type, in fact THE original HD case type. The Red Tag is a throwback to the SD Keep, and that's why for the past ten months it has been consistently treated as its own variant. Up until now I've rarely seen anyone try to label a multidisc slim as a Keep, and that's the kind of thing I keep an eye out for. Ironically, I've seen more than a few single-disc slims which were for some reason labelled keeps!
At any rate, the problem, if not with the very division of types, is with the label. That was what prompted the change from Elite but why it's NOW that it's going wrong, I couldn't possibly say. Quote: Another point I didn't make before, is that concerning commonality. With SD, the most common type is of course the single keep, which is also how we enter all the other variations, except for Thinpak which is the single exception; it's not a thinned-down keep, it's slightly different in certain ways. Interestingly, there IS a thin SD Keep which is the same as the regular in all ways but width. The only ones I have are in the last couple of Felicity box sets from R1.
Translate this into the HD case types, and the common/standard type is without a doubt, HD Slim. By the same token, all nonspecific variants (i.e. multidisc slims) belong to that, where the HD Keep is the fundamentally different type with a separate specific entry in the case type field. | | | Last edited: by Nadja |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,911 |
| Posted: | | | | From all these images, HD keep is bit fatter. So, either they are all HD Slims, or anything that is not slim is a keep. Now I don't understand at all why HD Keep was needed. | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... | | | Last edited: by NewEnglander |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,911 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Nadja: Quote: Ah, I found the thread which promoted Ken to split the HD case types, this seems to back everything up. In that thread, it clearly says numerous times that.... The fat cases are not slim, so, how can we have multi-disc slims? Once it's fat, it is not slim. Do away with the HD Slim and HD Keep and just call it an HD Case. We're going to be needing a page in the rules just for cases now. This is rediculous! | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 775 |
| Posted: | | | | Yeah, I wasn't keen on the split either. Maybe Elite was the wrong term, but we didn't need two :/ |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting NewEnglander: Quote: The fat cases are not slim, so, how can we have multi-disc slims? Once it's fat, it is not slim. Unless it starts using Slim-Fast . | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,911 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote: Quoting NewEnglander:
Quote: The fat cases are not slim, so, how can we have multi-disc slims? Once it's fat, it is not slim.
Unless it starts using Slim-Fast . LMAO! | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote: Quoting NewEnglander:
Quote: The fat cases are not slim, so, how can we have multi-disc slims? Once it's fat, it is not slim.
Unless it starts using Slim-Fast . ... and even then it will take about 8 months. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,692 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting NewEnglander: Quote: From all these images, HD keep is bit fatter. So, either they are all HD Slims, or anything that is not slim is a keep.
Now I don't understand at all why HD Keep was needed. from those images I can't see any difference. I agree we need to get rid of these pointless differences - its a HD case. Thats all we need to know - and since any BLU ray will be in a HD case - why bother holding the case information for blu ray discs. | | | Paul |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Good post, but we do differentiate between regular SD keep cases and thinpaks so it also makes sense that we do the same with HD cases. You should post this in the sticky case type thread though, it will only get lost down here... | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Am I right in saying that the spine on HD keep cases is only the height of the sleeve, whereas the spine of an HD slim case goes from top to bottom? I'm just asking cos my copy of King Kong is in a case that is as thin as a slim case, but the spine is only the height of the sleeve and I'm not sure what kind of case it is. If it helps, I think this copy of Kong Kong came from Canada. | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: Am I right in saying that the spine on HD keep cases is only the height of the sleeve, whereas the spine of an HD slim case goes from top to bottom? I'm just asking cos my copy of King Kong is in a case that is as thin as a slim case, but the spine is only the height of the sleeve and I'm not sure what kind of case it is. If it helps, I think this copy of Kong Kong came from Canada. All of my HD cases are the same height regardless of Keep or Slim, it's only the depth that changes. |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm not talking about the height of the case, only of the spine section. If you look at the images of the open cases, the keep case "spine" is not the same height as the front or the back, but on the slim case it is. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 775 |
| Posted: | | | | You mean the banner section splits down the centre of the spine, as opposed to that piece being solid and it actually splitting at the edges? | | | Last edited: by Nadja |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Yes, that's right. It looks like your Almost Famous case when opened, but it's the thickness of your Simpsons Movie case. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 775 |
| Posted: | | | | If it's from Canada I'm sure it's a slim. Does the clasp have that securing flap thing that can be folded inside the case? That's the other variation of the slim which I forgot to photograph (I don't have a digicam so I can't do any more for the time being, I borrowed my mum's). That one splits the banner section in the way you describe, and I think Universal used them for all their North American HD DVDs. |
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