I saw the contribution for Top Gun: Special Collector's Edition where it removed the rank of an Admiral and the person contributing it noted that the rank of Admiral isn't part of the actor's name.

All the rules says is to take the "Name" from the credits, it doesn't say anything about including job titles or military ranks.

For instance what about Dr. Joyce Brothers? Dr. is her job title, but it certainly isn't part of her first name. So wouldn't it be ideal to do a credited as such as Joyce Brothers (Dr. Joyce Brothers) as Dr. Joyce Brothers.

Or what about political figures, such as Mayor's, Senator's or President's? Aren't these job titles and not part of their names? Such as President Bill Clinton should be credited as Bill Clinton (President Bill Clinton) as Himself.

And then their is the military rank issue. These are just Military Ranks and not part of the persons name. And then their is the inclusion of the military branch with the name, such as U.S.M.C. or U.S.N.. The branch isn't part of their last name either.

Personally I don't think these job titles or Military ranks belong in the name field at all.


So again, just wondering why do we include them in the name field when it's not really part of their real name and isn't nothing more than just a job title?

Ideally we would have prefixes to account for such issues, Cubby. BUT we don't and that is what is done until and if we get Profiles. We do not include suffix data that is an association such as ACE, BSC, whatever. Otherwise it is data that appears ON SCREEN. What the user did is reasonable, but it is NOT per the Rules and affects a MASSIVE amount of data.

In short it departs from the Rules which state to list the data EXACTLY as it apopears On Screen. Anything else, at this time is personal choice.

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Yup, she did say that.  I personally don't agree with it but I'll follow it.

Using a Credited As shouldn't be a problem I think.

Quoting Gerri Cole (Gy. Sgt. Brian Hicks USMC & Cpl. John Miller USMC):

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I would agree with including the USMC. In my opinion, I would consider as all part of his rank, which was included in these credits.

-Gerri

Names change all the time with actors. What makes this any different? You list them exactly as they appear in the film's credits. If they are more commonly credited in the database by a different name then "credited as" comes into play. Many actors drop their middle initial in credits yet the majority of their film credits in the database may include the initial. In cases like this you would enter the more commonly credited name (with the initial) and use "credited as" without the initial in the title that you're profiling. If an actor is a Service member and his film credits include Rank and Service designation you enter it exactly as it appears in the film's credits. If that same person continues a film career after leaving the military and his credits no longer include a military rank and service designation then you would, again, use "credited as" if he is more commonly credited in the database with Rank and Service designation.

Why is this concept so difficult for some to grasp is beyond me .

You have no idea of difference between "Correct" name and Commonly Credited name. Two different ideas, entirely has Sean ever been credited as Sir Sean *not to my knowledge) and even if he is, Seasn would grossly outweigh Sir Sean as Common Name, BUT at this point even though it isreasonable, it is not the way it has been done and the Rules don't provide for you making the change you want, that is a personal preference and has to be local only, until there is a change.

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When someone is in the service, their rank is part of their name.  That is a fact of the military.  In addition, most military personnel aren't professional actors.  They either have a single role in a film or take up acting when they are retired.  In the case of the former, they will have a single credit so using 'credited as' just doesn't make any sense.  In the case of the latter, their retired rank will never change so , again, using 'credited as' just doesn't make any sense.

If you are off duty your military rank means nothing at all. For sure, if the military personnel lives on the premises of the US Strike Forces, they always are on duty and so they might have to be adressed with rank and name! But it is still "rank" and "name" and the name does not include the rank. Or are you changing your name with every promotion? Nowhere in the world this is common use, so it won't be in the US too. But, if you choose to include all in your name, then it will be a stage name to be listed in First Name field only.

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Has Sean Connery ever been credited as 'Sir Sean Connery'?

Not that I know, but this is his title and name. It it just an example to show you, that a title or rank must not be named and must not be used because it does not belong to the name.

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Has Ben Kingsley ever been credited as 'Sir Ben Gingsley'?

Yes. At least in "Lucky Number Slevin", which I remember because I have seen it lately.

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As for Dale Dye, how is he listed in the credits?

As Dale Dye, Dale A. Dye, Capt. Dale A. Dye, Capt. Dale Dye USMC [ret.] and a few more. I must admit, credited with rank he mostly was tech. advisor.

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This is quite simple, if the actor chooses to leave his rank off of his credit, then we leave it off in profiler.  If he chooses to include it, then we include it.  This goes for 'Sir', 'President', 'Governor', 'Prime Minister', 'Reverend', etc.

I think, when the actor chooses to have his rank credited then we should credit it "credited as", because the rank is not part of the name.

Also as i have said your suggestion is reasonable. BUT you do not have the authority to force your preference or what you think on the Online, amethod is followed and it has been described to you, now it is for you to decide to follow it until such time as we do it some other way, and keep your deviances locally. In short, speaking personally, I don't care what you think, I want you to follow the system and talk about possible changes not try to ram them down everybody's throat.

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