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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Posts: 281 |
| | Posted: | | | |  Need a title clarification. Rules state "Use the title from the front cover." We have Step Up 2 in one font and The Streets in another font, so the title should be Step Up 2: The streets. Just because there is no colon we add it per this rule "Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break." The first dvd was just called Step Up and now we have Step Up 2: The Streets or should it be Step Up 2 the Streets? | | | | Last edited: by Dragon 6 |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'd say "Step Up 2: The Streets", because of the rule you quoted.
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And "Dance-off Edition" could go into the Edition field. | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 775 |
| | Posted: | | | | Didn't include the rear cover, Dragon 6? What a surprise.  There is no colon, it's NOT a subtitle. The overview lists the title twice without a colon, and it's in the credit block in the same way. The official BVHE blu-ray site lists it without a colon, and when they mention the title in the extra features, they speak it as a single phrase, not as two (i.e. "step up to the streets"). The rule you quoted does not apply, we don't just reformat stuff for the hell of it. |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Posts: 281 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here are some titles that do not have a colon on the cover but have been added to seperate the title from the subtitle: Star Wars: Episode 01: The Phantom Menace, Star Wars: Episode 02: Attack of The Clones, Star Wars: Episode 03: Revenge of the Sith, Star Wars: Episode 04: A New Hope, Star Wars: Episode 05: The Empire Strikes Back, Star Wars: Episode 06: Return of the Jedi, Species IV: The Awakening, Spy Kids 2: Island of Lost Dreams, Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed and there is a lot more. Quoting Nadja: Quote:
Didn't include the rear cover, Dragon 6? What a surprise. I did not need to because we do not take the title from anywhere but the front cover per rules. Quoting the rules under the Title tab Quote:
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Use the title from the front cover. | | | | Last edited: by Dragon 6 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 775 |
| | Posted: | | | | Those are subtitles. Step Up 2 the Streets is a run-on phrase, per the official sources given. Like I say, we don't reformat stuff just for the sake of doing it. |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Posts: 281 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Nadja: Quote:
There is no colon, it's NOT a subtitle. No colon not a subtitle, then these are not a subtitle either:    so where is the difference of Step Up 2: The Streets | | | | Last edited: by Dragon 6 |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Nadja: Quote:
Those are subtitles. Step Up 2 the Streets is a run-on phrase, per the official sources given. Like I say, we don't reformat stuff just for the sake of doing it. Agreed. That's the way I read it. | | | | Guns don't kill people. Hammers do. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Nadja: Quote:
Those are subtitles. Step Up 2 the Streets is a run-on phrase, per the official sources given. Like I say, we don't reformat stuff just for the sake of doing it. Except he isn't doing it 'just for the sake of doiing it'. He is doing it because the rules tell him to do it. While you may read it as a 'run-on phrase', it is written as a title with a series descriptor. It is written as: Step Up 2 The Streets The fact that you read it as: 'Step up to the streets' doesn't change that in any way. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Posts: 281 |
| | Posted: | | | | If it was a run-on-phase the text would be all the same. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Nadja:
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Those are subtitles. Step Up 2 the Streets is a run-on phrase, per the official sources given. Like I say, we don't reformat stuff just for the sake of doing it.
Except he isn't doing it 'just for the sake of doiing it'. He is doing it because the rules tell him to do it. While you may read it as a 'run-on phrase', it is written as a title with a series descriptor.
It is written as:
Step Up 2
The Streets
The fact that you read it as: 'Step up to the streets' doesn't change that in any way. The rule only directs the use of a colon for an episode descriptor. In spite of the font choices on the front cover, the back cover clearly shows that "the streets" is not a separate episode descriptor. Consulting the back cover doesn't mean you aren't using the title from the front cover as directed by the rules. It helps clarify how to read the front cover. "Step Up 2 The Streets" would still follow the rule to take the title from the front cover. Quoting Dragon 6: Quote:
If it was a run-on-phase the text would be all the same. Not necessarily. There are many titles where different words of the title are shown in different sized fonts. That doesn't make them episode descriptors. | | | ...James
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 775 |
| | Posted: | | | | The text varies from letter to letter, it's not "SteP Up 2: the streets" either. Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
The fact that you read it as: 'Step up to the streets' doesn't change that in any way. Agreed. But, the fact that it's given in three places on the rear cover without a colon changes that in a very clear way. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've got to agree with Dragon on this one. "The Streets" is an episode descriptor and should be treated as such.
The lack of a colon is irrelevant. I'm not at home so can't check, but how many of the Star Trek or Star Wars DVDs have colons on them? Adding the colon is our rule, not Hollywood's. We don't add them only when there's one on the cover, we add them every time there's a subtitle. And it's my belief that "The Streets" is the subtitle for "Step Up 2". |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 775 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm not saying that only if there's a colon on the front should there be one in the title field, but this doesn't fit into the subtitle rule. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Nadja: Quote:
The text varies from letter to letter, it's not "SteP Up 2: the streets" either.
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The fact that you read it as: 'Step up to the streets' doesn't change that in any way.
Agreed. But, the fact that it's given in three places on the rear cover without a colon changes that in a very clear way. It changes it for you. Clearly it does not change it for everyone. The first film was 'Step Up', this film uses the same title with the addition of a number. That tells me it is a series...just like Star Wars, Star Trek or TLotR. As such, the subtitle would be the episode descriptor. JMHO | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Nadja: Quote:
I'm not saying that only if there's a colon on the front should there be one in the title field, but this doesn't fit into the subtitle rule. but you're changing the title to get to that conclusion. Its not Step up to the streets. Its Step Up 2 The Streets. It takes place on the streets its about street dancing (hence an episode descriptor). Its no different than Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan or Superman IV: The Quest for Peace. (edit as Unicus pointed out its a number because its a series. 2 = two, not to. those are two different words) The back is irrelevant, unless you are now saying that the Colon between Episode I: The Phantom Menace (and the other episodes) should be removed because they are written without a colon on the back cover (which is still irrelevant because the rule doesn't say 'take the title from the front cover unless the back cover allows for a different interpretation). (Actually, not trying to bring up old wars, but per the front cover its Star Wars: I: The Phantom Menace but it says Episode I on the back) Other places (do a google search) list it with the colon as well. But that is actually irrelevant to our purpose as well. | | | | Last edited: by Agrare |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Those are subtitles. Step Up 2 the Streets is a run-on phrase, per the official sources given. Like I say, we don't reformat stuff just for the sake of doing it.
Except he isn't doing it 'just for the sake of doiing it'. He is doing it because the rules tell him to do it. While you may read it as a 'run-on phrase', it is written as a title with a series descriptor.
It is written as:
Step Up 2
The Streets
The fact that you read it as: 'Step up to the streets' doesn't change that in any way.
The rule only directs the use of a colon for an episode descriptor. In spite of the font choices on the front cover, the back cover clearly shows that "the streets" is not a separate episode descriptor. Consulting the back cover doesn't mean you aren't using the title from the front cover as directed by the rules. It helps clarify how to read the front cover. "Step Up 2 The Streets" would still follow the rule to take the title from the front cover.
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If it was a run-on-phase the text would be all the same.
Not necessarily. There are many titles where different words of the title are shown in different sized fonts. That doesn't make them episode descriptors. WE do NOT use the back cover for that purpose. Just as with any other such film Step Up 2: The Streets. I agree completely with unicus. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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