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Article: Ultimate Proof Sony is winning.
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That's pretty funny, and a laugh.  Blu-Ray?  Big deal, If you don't have a HDTV it's pointless!  You can put the Wii and PS3 together and the 360 has far more games!  No need of Blu-Ray anyway when you can download HD movies from LIVE, not to mention Movies from Netflex.  The Complete overhaul of the 360's Interface because of things like so much content to download it's hard to find what you want currently.  How about the feature to Install the whole Game onto the HDD for a 30% increase in performance on the 360!  Install a few you play all the time.  It's a Huge 360 update coming early Fall.    Normally there's 2 Updates a year, Spring and Fall, well they skipped the Spring Update and combined into a Huge Update for Fall.  How about Sony loosing yet another Exclusive like Final Fantasy 13!  How about Rock Band 2 coming out for the 360 First!  I could go on.  It's pretty silly selling all your 360 stuff to buy a PS3.  I could buy a PS3 at any time and right now there's not a exclusive Game on that system I'm interested in, what few are left, while the 360 has many exclusives out and more to come.

There's no way the PS3 could ever catch up to the Wii and 360.  Not by a long shot.  No Console Manufacture has been #1 for more then 2 generations in a row.  Maybe a few years after MS stops selling the 360 the PS3 might catch up, but who cares by then, everyone has moved on.  Hell the PS2 is still selling really good.  Do you think those people are planing to get a PS3 any time soon?
The Wii is the Wii Sports Player
The PS3 is the Blu-Ray Movie Player
The 360 is the #1 Games Console and More... To much to list.

All that article points out is that kid is a Idiot!
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Join us in the present where Sonyhas 35 EXCLUSIVE PS3 TITLES coming.

Join us in the present where PS3 KEEPS OUTSELLING the 360.

Join us in the present where EVERY XBOX 360 DOES NOT have a HDD.

Join us in the present where EVERY PS3 has a HDD.

Join us in the present where your Xbox Live HD downloads are compressed to hell and offer no LOSSLESS HD AUDIO!

Nice to see you made it back to 2008, thanks for the red zingers!

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Oh, forgot the join us in the present where the 360 was released a year before the PS3, gee, it has more games? really?

BTW...

PS3 doubles Xbox 360 sales in June LINK

Want a link for Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr and May?
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Quoting JBDragon:
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The Wii is the Wii Sports Player
The PS3 is the Blu-Ray Movie Player
The 360 is the #1 Games Console and More... To much to list.

All that article points out is that kid is a Idiot!


if thats what the article points out, what do these last few comments say about you? A couple guesses would be a) you're a MS/X-Box fanboy b) you've never really played the Wii c) you're reading comprehension is lacking (sure maybe you can buy a PS3 anytime you want, so could I (I could also buy an X-Box 360 (or various other non video game related things) whenever I want, probably more readily than I could the PS3, but the only one i bought was the Wii). But that kid is not yet 17 so doesn't have the income (or parents that will buy it for him) to buy one without selling his X-Box. My brother and I had to sell our NES when we wanted to get the SNES (already had genesis and parents said only 2 systems).

I will however agree that I don't think that article is 'Ultimate proof of Sony winning' but it wouldn't be the first overly exagerrated topic header on this forum.

-Agrare
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the topic title was actually the article title if anyone noticed. But, whatever. You people take things to seriously. The person's column should tell you all you need to know "Funny Business" with Jane Wells, it was SUPPOSED to be funny.
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Quoting NewEnglander:
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Join us in the present where Sonyhas 35 EXCLUSIVE PS3 TITLES coming.

Join us in the present where PS3 KEEPS OUTSELLING the 360.

Join us in the present where EVERY XBOX 360 DOES NOT have a HDD.

Join us in the present where EVERY PS3 has a HDD.

Join us in the present where your Xbox Live HD downloads are compressed to hell and offer no LOSSLESS HD AUDIO!

Nice to see you made it back to 2008, thanks for the red zingers!

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Oh, forgot the join us in the present where the 360 was released a year before the PS3, gee, it has more games? really?

BTW...

PS3 doubles Xbox 360 sales in June LINK

Want a link for Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr and May?

Nice!

Plus, worldwide the X360 hasn't won a month in a LONG time.  It has already lost overall install base in Europe, it never stood a chance in Japan, and is losing ground in the US.  The US is the last refuge for the X360's install base.

Graphical dominance is beginning to show itself through games like GT5P, MGS4, KZ2, etc...not to mention audio dominance. 
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That's pretty funny, and a laugh.  Blu-Ray?  Big deal, If you don't have a HDTV it's pointless!  You can put the Wii and PS3 together and the 360 has far more games!  No need of Blu-Ray anyway when you can download HD movies from LIVE, not to mention Movies from Netflex.  The Complete overhaul of the 360's Interface because of things like so much content to download it's hard to find what you want currently.  How about the feature to Install the whole Game onto the HDD for a 30% increase in performance on the 360!  Install a few you play all the time.  It's a Huge 360 update coming early Fall.    Normally there's 2 Updates a year, Spring and Fall, well they skipped the Spring Update and combined into a Huge Update for Fall.  How about Sony loosing yet another Exclusive like Final Fantasy 13!  How about Rock Band 2 coming out for the 360 First!  I could go on.  It's pretty silly selling all your 360 stuff to buy a PS3.  I could buy a PS3 at any time and right now there's not a exclusive Game on that system I'm interested in, what few are left, while the 360 has many exclusives out and more to come.

There's no way the PS3 could ever catch up to the Wii and 360.  Not by a long shot.  No Console Manufacture has been #1 for more then 2 generations in a row.  Maybe a few years after MS stops selling the 360 the PS3 might catch up, but who cares by then, everyone has moved on.  Hell the PS2 is still selling really good.  Do you think those people are planing to get a PS3 any time soon?
The Wii is the Wii Sports Player
The PS3 is the Blu-Ray Movie Player
The 360 is the #1 Games Console and More... To much to list.

All that article points out is that kid is a Idiot!


While i agree BR isn't a big selling point when you don't own a HDTV (still suprised why people want a PS3 of 360 without HDTV, graphically you're missing a lot), why would people than downlaod HD content? Content which btw can NEVER be compared to True HD delivered by BR (and HD-DVD).

The Netflix content is nice i guess but i'm sure you know the PS3 has a videostore as well (sadly i'm european so i can't access the videostore, or the Netflix content, so i can't compare the content available), so that's not really a selling point either.

Installing games, wasn't that something the PS3 already does, and was laughed at by Xbox fanboys?

Yes Sony loses FF (a game i'm not personally interested in), but they keep the FF versus exclusively. Also this is only a selling point if you already own a Xbox, if you don't own any console you'd still not be tempted more to buy a 360 since it's also not a 360 exclusive and since at the Square-Enix event (early August in Japan) they will be: "throwing the ball back to sony" there could be something big coming.

About the exclusives, Yes 360 has some great titles exclusively, but since the trend seems to be that many third-party developers will stop being exclusive, it's going to come down to inhouse development, which Sony has more and better. (Insomniac/Incognito/Guerilla/Naughty Dog/ Sucker Punch)plus the new Rockstar game is going to be a PS3 exclusive. Sony already confirmed they have 12 new titles at the Leipzig Gameshow, what about Microsoft.

When you looked at the E3 pressconference there weren't many exciting 360 titles (Gears of War 2/Banjo-Kazooie/Fable 2(perhaps)) But come on Lips? (yes, let's copy Singstar), after already copying Buzz (Scene It) and copying the Mii's (Avatars). I know that a lot of games 'borrow' ideas from each other but this is really, really cheap.

Sony on the other hand had: Resistance 2/ Little Big Planet/Motorstorm: Pacific Rift/ Ratchet and Clank Future: Quest for Booty/ InFamous/Killzone 2/ Socom: Confrontation/ Mag,  oh yes and God of War 3.

Also soon to be announced: Uncharted 2/ a new game from Incognito (Warhawk)/ a new game from Team Ico/ and rumor are flying about a possible new Zone of the Enders.

As Ascended_Saiyan already said. Sony is outselling Microsoft in Japan, in Europe the installed base for the PS3 is already bigger than that of the 360 (with more than a full year headstart: release Europe December 2 - 2005, PS3 realeas March 23 - 2007)

All in all, i think buying a PS3 hasn't been a bad decision.

Paul
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Quoting NewEnglander:
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BTW...

PS3 doubles Xbox 360 sales in June LINK


Not quite double, but close.  What I do find interesting is the Wii...something somebody claimed would be a passing fancy...is still beating the crap out of both systems.  If you include handhelds, Nintendo seems unstopable. 
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BTW...

PS3 doubles Xbox 360 sales in June LINK


Not quite double, but close.  What I do find interesting is the Wii...something somebody claimed would be a passing fancy...is still beating the crap out of both systems.  If you include handhelds, Nintendo seems unstopable. 

It's not even competing in the same space.  Most people that buy a Wii will probably end up with a PS3 or X360.  The Wii is a very, very casual device and overpriced for what it does (Gamecube was $99).  A lot of people do know that the Wii-mote was suppose to be an accessory for the Gamecube.  They decided to package the Wii-mote with a console.  It was a brilliant idea, but the unit is still overpriced for what it does.
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The "hardcore" gaming market isn't growing as fast as the "casual" gaming market. I don't see Sony or Microsoft targeting the soccermom-demographic. Nintendo does, and they sold 1.4 million DS and Wii units. Nintendo bet on the right horse there...
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Anyone who is truly 'hardcore' will have all three.  With three boys in my house we've had every game system that has come out in the past 20 years. 

Being the best doesn't mean you will win the current battle (speaking generally here - not for or against and of the current platforms). If I recall correctly the Sega Saturn was a superior unit over both the Sony and Nintendo units (PS and N64 I think) however it didn't last. Or was the Dreamcast. OK - now I'm confused.  Proving my point, the only way to have the best is to have them all! 
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Personally I have a Wii and bought a PS3 a blu ray player (not a games machine).
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Personally I have a Wii and bought a PS3 a blu ray player (not a games machine).

You'd be surprised how many people buy a PS3 only for gaming, and are not even aware they can play  blurays. In fact, there are a lot (a LOT!) of people who don't know that it's backwards compatible with dvds.... Just google "does ps3 play dvd" (412.000 hits) Gooooo Sony! 
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the topic title was actually the article title if anyone noticed. But, whatever. You people take things to seriously. The person's column should tell you all you need to know "Funny Business" with Jane Wells, it was SUPPOSED to be funny.


well I apologize for attributing the title to you and not noticing it was the title of the article, but I stand behind my over-exaggerated part. Both for that article's title and that it seems very often I read a topic header and the actually article posted behind it is very one sided and\or not quite as supportive of the topic header.

If you read my post (I know I threw a bunch of sub-thoughts in there with all the parenthesis comments) you would realize that while I didn't outright back up the articles claim (I honestly don't have enough information to make such a comment) I did refute many JBDragons claims.

as with pauls42, I also have a Wii and if i did buy a PS3 it would be primarily for the Blu Ray player. I'd probably play some games on it, mostly PS2 games I already have, so Sony's move to stop backwards compatibility is turning me off to getting a PS3 unless I get one before support stops.

-Agrare
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The "hardcore" gaming market isn't growing as fast as the "casual" gaming market. I don't see Sony or Microsoft targeting the soccermom-demographic. Nintendo does, and they sold 1.4 million DS and Wii units. Nintendo bet on the right horse there...


Remember Sony started the casual game trend with Singstar and Buzz (still selling on the PS2/recently released on the PS3).

The question however should be about the long run. Most 'hardcore' gamers buy maybe one game a month. Casual gamers won't, a 50-year old woman buying a NDS for Braintraining will probably never buy another game again till they release Braintraning 2. Personally i don't see any game for which i'd buy a NDS and i own most gamesystems (even bought a Gamecube at the release). The only games i'd be interested in are remakes of SNES and N64 games. (Super Mario 64/Mario Kart)

For the Wii i don't see many games i'd buy either. Yes Super Mario Galaxies is great, as is Mario Kart, and Metroid Prime. Also i like Okami (which doesn't sell at all, strange as it's such a great game). But the other games all seem to be 'party' games which you don't play for long especially when you're alone. I think most people buy a Wii because it's so cheap, they play on it with friends and family and then it ends up in the closet untill the next family gathering.

And when Nintendo have a games which sells good, they refuse to deliver it, (Wii Fit/Mario Kart) and i say refuse because i find it hard to believe Nintendo still has capacity problems after so long. How come Mario Kart can't be delivered while the Wii Wheel is available. (this is a European situation, don't know about the US)

In the end i'd be suprised if the Wii continues to sell so good when there aren't any good games released to keep the 'hardocre' gamers happy.

Paul
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It's not even competing in the same space.


You are correct...it is competing on a completely different level. 

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Most people that buy a Wii will probably end up with a PS3 or X360.


What, exactly, do you base this on?

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The Wii is a very, very casual device and overpriced for what it does (Gamecube was $99).  A lot of people do know that the Wii-mote was suppose to be an accessory for the Gamecube.  They decided to package the Wii-mote with a console.  It was a brilliant idea, but the unit is still overpriced for what it does.


It is selling more units than the PS3 and 360 combined...pretty good for an overpriced, casual device.   
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