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Running times for I Am Legend?
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorRander
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Just got a "2-disc Special Version" of I Am Legend.

Now, disc 1 contains the movie with a runtime of 96 minutes. Disc two contains an alternate version of the movie, with a runtime of 100 minutes.

The rules state:
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For branching titles, or those with multiple versions (e.g. Theatrical and Director's Cut) on the same disc, use the longest running time.
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These versions are not on the same disc, so I should just enter the running time for the "standard" version, correct?

BTW, the cover says "Contains alternate ending" - does anyone know if it is just the ending that is different between the two versions? (No spoilers, please - haven't seen it yet!)
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you can make a profile for each disc, the standard movie with the EAN, the second alternate ending with disc-id. did you already tryed and see if the second disc-id is already in the online db? [add inserted  disc] if you have a dvd player on your computer?
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I would enter the run time for the main feature, on the first disc.

I would not create a different profile for the second disc.  It has been a while since I watched it but, if I remember correctly, the only difference is the ending.

Why they chose to make the alternate ending it's own feature, I do not know, but I don't think it deserves it's own profile.
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Quoting Giga Wizard:
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you can make a profile for each disc, the standard movie with the EAN, the second alternate ending with disc-id. did you already tryed and see if the second disc-id is already in the online db? [add inserted  disc] if you have a dvd player on your computer?


Wouldn't this conflict with Contribution rules? This is not a Bonus Film, but rather a "Directors Cut" or "Unrated" version?

I would enter the run time of the Alternate version, as this is the longest, and complies with the rules quoted by Rander.

I may be wrong, but this is my take on it... 
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Without giving anything away there is a tiny bit more than just an alternate ending. A few snippets of scenes and/or extensions are included/modified.  I guess this is why they included the entire film on disc 2 (the alternate/extended version) as opposed to just the final few minutes being included as an alternative ending/deleted scene.  If memory serves me, the "changes" don't come into play until the third act of the film.

Again, trying to not spoil anything, one version tries to stay a bit more true to the novella than the other.
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Wouldn't this conflict with Contribution rules? This is not a Bonus Film, but rather a "Directors Cut" or "Unrated" version?

I would enter the run time of the Alternate version, as this is the longest, and complies with the rules quoted by Rander.

I may be wrong, but this is my take on it... 


This would also conflict with the rules.  The rule is specific to branching titles or those with multiple versions on the same disc.  These versions are on two different discs, so the rule does not apply.
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Quoting Unicus69:
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Quoting Berak:
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Wouldn't this conflict with Contribution rules? This is not a Bonus Film, but rather a "Directors Cut" or "Unrated" version?

I would enter the run time of the Alternate version, as this is the longest, and complies with the rules quoted by Rander.

I may be wrong, but this is my take on it... 


This would also conflict with the rules.  The rule is specific to branching titles or those with multiple versions on the same disc.  These versions are on two different discs, so the rule does not apply.


Valid point, but as Peacefrog indicates - this is not merely a different ending, but a different version altogether. Does the fact that it is on another disc tell us to leave it out altogether, or should the rules regarding "Branching titles/Multiple versions" indeed be used in this instance?
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This is an area that I will confess needs an update. Frankly, Hollywood didn't go where I thought they would, it's hell trying to stay one step ahead of those nuts. I thought we were going to see far more branching titles going forward, it made sense and still does to me, but Hollywood has continued to making branching titles a rare commodity thus far.

That said, I have TWO thoughts on it. First I would think the Rules should be amended slightly to say to use the longest running time regardless of branching or separate discs, this would be easy and consistent with what we have been doing. That said I can also see a place for a separate profile for an extended/director's cut, probably most of the time not, but there may be instances where the Credits for the Theatrical may NOT be the SAME as they are for the Extended/Director's Cut.

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So, perhaps something along these lines.

Use the longest running time. In cases where the Credit lsits may be different and separate discs are used then setup a separate profile  Exception: If the longer version is available only as part of an Easter Egg, use the shorter running time.

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Quoting skipnet50:
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That said, I have TWO thoughts on it. First I would think the Rules should be amended slightly to say to use the longest running time regardless of branching or separate discs, this would be easy and consistent with what we have been doing. That said I can also see a place for a separate profile for an extended/director's cut, probably most of the time not, but there may be instances where the Credits for the Theatrical may NOT be the SAME as they are for the Extended/Director's Cut.

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The recent multi version release of Blade Runner comes to mind.
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Hmmm... Seems like the longest time is the way to go...
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Valid point, but as Peacefrog indicates - this is not merely a different ending, but a different version altogether. Does the fact that it is on another disc tell us to leave it out altogether, or should the rules regarding "Branching titles/Multiple versions" indeed be used in this instance?


I understand that, but the rule is clear, both versions have to be on the same disc.  In this case, they are not, so the rule does not apply.

If someone wants to create a 'bonus film' profile for the second feature, I will not argue, but the main profile should reflect the main feature on the first disc.
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I have to vote for two profiles.  I don't care how much is added to the second version or how it's labeled.  The main reason I create multiple profiles in these cases is so I can track when I watch each individual version.  You might choose to rate them differently as well if you use that feature.  Obviously it would also be nice to know the exact runtime for each version as well.  I've seen alternate versions that differ significantly in runtime.  The director's cut of Cinema Paradiso is a full 50 minutes longer for example.

So there's several good reasons right there to have the additional profile (optional of course for those who don't care).  I can't think of a single good reason not to create a second profile.

As for what should be on the main profile, I would say the feature found on the first disc.
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I agree with Mark.
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Quoting Unicus69:
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I would enter the run time for the main feature, on the first disc.


I asked this question (actually I was talking about the same film but didn't specify!) in this thread and this seemed to be the answer.

I agree with Skip it is a rule possibly in need of an update (the two versions on different discs was exceedingly rare until quite recently as he mentioned in the other thread) and I personally would prefer it if the 'on the same disc' bit was removed but the rule as it stands seems clear.

Whether or not you treat it as a box set with two profiles in I would say is up to you; personally I believe when the box set Rule says "contains two films" that means two different films and so in this case the second disc with the alternate version is essentially a very big bonus feature, but I certainly wouldn't No vote if someone submitted a profile for the second disc as a separate film for those who want it.
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I agree with you Voltaire. I am trying to grapple with what mark said and try and come up with jsustification for why we would want all that duplicated simply because of a DC or EC. Perhaps the easiest answer for these types of releases, would be for Ken to make a mod to the program allowing to list say 120/98 for the two running times or in some really rare cases even more. I just can't justify all the duplicate data or a bare bones entry to account for the Runtime, seems to be a local issue to me.

Mark, I am not saying it's a bad idea, I can see the merits but that is on a user by user basis and i am trying hard to justify it as an Online entry.

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