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Cedric (T)the Entertainer
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorninehours
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I am doing a profile that has Cedric the Entertainer in it but spelt Cedric The Entertainer with a capital "T" I have looked in the rules but am not sure how this should be entered, The rules say

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For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.  Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.


I think the relevant lines here are “names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits” and “If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules” but in the films credits his name is not entirely capitalized so I thought it should be entered Cedric The Entertainer but then I noticed his name is specifically mentioned in another part of the rules

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If an actor name is only a first name or stage name enter it entirely in the first name field. Examples are Cher, Madonna, Cedric the Entertainer & Queen Latifah.


So basically should “The” be capitalized. I know this is a very minor thing but I also know that people around here can get very upset about the littlest of changes so just wanted to check first before contributing.
Also checking the CLT there are quite a few profiles that have him parsed Cedric/The/Entertainer so need changing.
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Assuming the credit is in ALL-CAPS, I'd use the "standard capitalization rules" mentioned by the rules to arrive at Cedric the Entertainer. Judging by the example in the rules you've found yourself, apparently Ken came to that same conclusion as well.
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Ninehours: 

Tim is correct with this proviso. My understanding is that the Online CAN deal with this. Your local database cannot accomodate Cedric the  AND Cedric The, it does not recognize that lower case is different from Upper case. This will continue to be a little problematic until this corrected.

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This will continue to be a little problematic until this corrected.

Once again: there is no need at all for Invelos to "correct" this - there's no need to have co-existing entries for "Cedric the Entertainer" and "Cedric The Entertainer". As with all cast and crew entries, you just determine what the most-credited form is, and that's what you use as the "name". If he's ever credited with the other variant, you can use the "credited as" feature for this. It's as simple as that.

How you perceive this as "problematic" is beyond me, just as why you'd want to be able to have co-existing double entries FOR THE EXACT SAME PERSON. There's just no need for this, not under any circumstance. There's nothing to "correct" here... Getting various credits correctly linked up is hard enough as it is - allowing such "capitalization differences only" name variants to co-exist would only make matters worse. There's absolutely nothing we can possibly gain by allowing "Cedric the Entertainer" and "Cedric The Entertainer" to co-exist next to eachother in our local databases.
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I know you don't understand, Tim.<shrugs>

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I know you don't understand, Tim.<shrugs>

Amazing... Let me <shrug> for once, then: I don't care that you don't get it, as long as Ken gets it. And I fully trust that he does. There's no problem here, so there's nothing to fix.
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My two cents...

This is a name, albeit a stage name, but a name none the less.  I was always taught that, absent intimate knowledge of the person involved or exceptions based on culture, each word of a name should be capitalized.
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I know you don't understand, Tim.<shrugs>

Amazing... Let me <shrug> for once, then: I don't care that you don't get it, as long as Ken gets it. And I fully trust that he does. There's no problem here, so there's nothing to fix.


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My two cents...

This is a name, albeit a stage name, but a name none the less.  I was always taught that, absent intimate knowledge of the person involved or exceptions based on culture, each word of a name should be capitalized.


I agree 100 %, a name has to be always capitalized.
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ninehours:

How is the name written on screen, exactly?
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ninehours:

How is the name written on screen, exactly?


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I agree 100 %, a name has to be always capitalized.

The only trouble is that "the" isn't a name but a joining word.
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Cedric The Entertainer and as this is a stage name all in the first name field.
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To make things even more complicated: If his most credited name is Cedric “The Entertainer”, the quoted part should be in the middle as it would be a nickname because Cedric is his first name and his last name is Kyles.
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To make things even more complicated: If his most credited name is Cedric “The Entertainer”, the quoted part should be in the middle as it would be a nickname because Cedric is his first name and his last name is Kyles.


where did you get Kyles from - we are supposed to use his most credited name - are you now trying to suggest that Cedric Kyles is his most credited name?
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To make things even more complicated: If his most credited name is Cedric “The Entertainer”, the quoted part should be in the middle as it would be a nickname because Cedric is his first name and his last name is Kyles.


where did you get Kyles from - we are supposed to use his most credited name - are you now trying to suggest that Cedric Kyles is his most credited name?

No, he's suggesting it should be parsed Cedric/"The Entertainer"/(blank) because Cedric is his real first name and "The Entertainer" is a nickname and so belongs in the middle name field.
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