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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have submitted a profile for the Stargate - Ark of Truth R2UK version which had a vote against concerning the inclusion of Ian A. Wallace as Prior #5.
Not that I am complaining about the vote a brief PM to the voter was sent.
The citation was that Ian A. Wallace only has two credits in the CLT, whereas Ian Wallace has 18 Titles (35 profiles). Upon researching the credits (18 Titles) for Ian Wallace these titles are indeed spread over more than one actor with the name Ian Wallace
The Invisable Man
Plenty
Porterhouse Blue
Tom Thumb
are all films by the Ian Wallace born 1919
whereas
Stargate - Ark of Truth
Master of Horror (The Fair Haired Child)
Wind Chill
are films involving Ian A. Wallace (also known as Ian Wallace) BY unknown.
So I would suggest people don't just blindly follow the credits in the CLT.
Since I do believe the CLT obtains it's data from the submitted profiles it's all too easy for say actor x has #### credits whereas actor y has only ##.
CLT only works when the DATA in the Profiles has the Correct Actor assigned.
I have come across this before, If memory serves correctly it was about a credit for actor "Colin Farrell" and I was told that it was the Colin Farrell of Phone Booth fame, since the film in question was made before Colin Farrell of Phone Booth fame was born it would be a bit of a dilemma.
So please think carefully before just following blindly what is in CLT.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree Steve. First we have toi make sure Ian Wallace and Ian A. Wallace are the smae person, likely they are, but they could just as easily be two different people. Once we do that we still wouldn't change anything relative to the film credits. But assuming they were verifying the SAME person then it could Ian Wallace (Credited As Ian A. Wallace). But then we also have the mess that some users are not following the Rules and are totally skewing the results generated by the CLT.
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 131 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree.
We should always be careful with the use of the CLT.
Two examples that I encountered in the last few weeks:
- Jeremy Roberts and Jeremy A. Roberts are 2 distinct persons and sometimes Jeremy A. Roberts is credited as Jeremy Roberts.
- Wen Jiang and Jiang Wen. Jiang Wen is an amateur actress who appeared in only one movie: Riding Along for Thousands of Miles. While Wen Jiang is a famous male actor who appeared in 20 movies
But there is probably 10s or 100s more of such examples. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tarantino: Quote:
I agree.
We should always be careful with the use of the CLT.
Two examples that I encountered in the last few weeks:
- Jeremy Roberts and Jeremy A. Roberts are 2 distinct persons and sometimes Jeremy A. Roberts is credited as Jeremy Roberts. I plead guilty to making this erroneous assumption, tarantino. Thanks for catching my oversight  I definitely agree that care should be used with the CLT. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
I plead guilty to making this erroneous assumption, tarantino. Thanks for catching my oversight
It was an honest mistake that anybody could have done. That was insignificant compared to all the work on the SFU crew.  By the way... I'm still waiting for season 4 & 5  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
Quoting tarantino:
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I agree.
We should always be careful with the use of the CLT.
Two examples that I encountered in the last few weeks:
- Jeremy Roberts and Jeremy A. Roberts are 2 distinct persons and sometimes Jeremy A. Roberts is credited as Jeremy Roberts.
I plead guilty to making this erroneous assumption, tarantino. Thanks for catching my oversight
I definitely agree that care should be used with the CLT. Ken: As I have always said NEVER assume that two names are the same just because they are similar.  But you have supplied an excellent case in point. Always document that Name A=Name B BEFORE moving onto the CLT, and even then because of the gross corruption of the database we have to be careful re: the CLT. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip,
It was tarantino who supplied the case in point -- and who caught me making the mistake. But it's a vaild and useful lesson I must be more careful to follow in the future. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Something we all need to know, I am just as guilty as anyone else, sometimes.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
As I have always said NEVER assume that two names are the same just because they are similar. But you have supplied an excellent case in point. Always document that Name A=Name B BEFORE moving onto the CLT, and even then because of the gross corruption of the database we have to be careful re: the CLT.
Skip Agree, but even documenting that Name A = Name B would not have been enough in Tarantino's example, as the problem is that "sometimes Jeremy A. Roberts is credited as Jeremy Roberts.", so some "Jeremy Roberts" credits do indeed refer to "Jeremy A. Roberts", BUT there is another guy called "Jeremy Roberts" and some other "Jeremy Roberts" credits are his, but the CLT results don't tell which is which. | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | That would become a BY issue at that point, Enry.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
That would become a BY issue at that point, Enry.
Skip But until the BY is added to all profiles that list either actor the CLT will give misleading results. ( Just adding more info ) pdf | | | Paul Francis
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Posts: 281 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
As I have always said NEVER assume that two names are the same just because they are similar. Skip But this happens all the time, even now. Users contribution notes: Crew Added Crew as credited from beginning and ending credits. "Credited as" for A. Kitman Ho (no period after A in credits) Lewis Goldstein is credited as Lew in credits Cast Used "credited as" for Johnathan Tchaikovsky as he is credited as Johnny in credits. Here is my response: What proof do you have that Johnathan Tchaikovsky and Johnny Tchaikovsky are the same person. The end credits have it listed as Johnny Tchaikovsky. So it should be change to as credited. People are blindly using the CLT as the end all truth. There should be another source documented to prove the two names are the same person, not two names belonging to two different people. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dragon 6: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:Quote:
As I have always said NEVER assume that two names are the same just because they are similar. Skip
But this happens all the time, even now.
Users contribution notes:
Crew
Added Crew as credited from beginning and ending credits.
"Credited as" for A. Kitman Ho (no period after A in credits)
Lewis Goldstein is credited as Lew in credits
Cast
Used "credited as" for Johnathan Tchaikovsky as he is credited as Johnny in credits.
Here is my response:
What proof do you have that Johnathan Tchaikovsky and Johnny Tchaikovsky are the same person. The end credits have it listed as Johnny Tchaikovsky.
So it should be change to as credited.
People are blindly using the CLT as the end all truth. There should be another source documented to prove the two names are the same person, not two names belonging to two different people. Quite true , Dragon and I vote No to such assumptions all the time. Assuming that two similar names are the same person accomplishes NOTHING for any of us. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pdf256: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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That would become a BY issue at that point, Enry.
Skip
But until the BY is added to all profiles that list either actor the CLT will give misleading results.
( Just adding more info )
pdf Quoting myself, what fun!  Just checked the CLT, all actors with the same name, with or without BY, show up in the CLT list. If you don't check each one you may not know if it is two or more. To give it a try, enter "Harrison Ford", you will get a list that contains "Harrison Ford", "Harrison Ford (1942)" and "Harrison Ford (1884)". "Foolish Wives" from 1922 is one that lists "Harrison Ford (1884)". pdf | | | Paul Francis
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
That would become a BY issue at that point, Enry.
Skip Can we use BYs for persons with different (Common) Names, like "Jeremy Roberts" (credited as such) and "Jeremy A. Roberts" (sometimes credited as "Jeremy Roberts" but usually credited as "Jeremy A. Roberts", as far as I understand from Tarantino's example) ? | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pdf256: Quote:
Quoting pdf256:
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Quoting skipnet50:
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That would become a BY issue at that point, Enry.
Skip
But until the BY is added to all profiles that list either actor the CLT will give misleading results.
( Just adding more info )
pdf
Quoting myself, what fun!
Just checked the CLT, all actors with the same name, with or without BY, show up in the CLT list. If you don't check each one you may not know if it is two or more. To give it a try, enter "Harrison Ford", you will get a list that contains "Harrison Ford", "Harrison Ford (1942)" and "Harrison Ford (1884)". "Foolish Wives" from 1922 is one that lists "Harrison Ford (1884)".
pdf That also means that even BYs wouldn't help to distinguish how many "Jeremy Roberts" credits listed in the CLT refer to Jeremy Roberts credited as such, and how many refer to Jeremy A. Roberts sometimes credited as "Jeremy Roberts". | | | | -- Enry |
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