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| Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 72 |
| | Posted: | | | | I just checked the credits for Stardust. One Credit says: Quote:
Based on the Novel written by
Neil Gaiman
and illustrated by
Charles Vess Only two Profiles of this movie (UK and South Africa) credit Charles Vess too, is it wrong to say: Original Material by: Neil Gaiman Charles Vess? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | There is no credit in DVDP for "Illustrated By". | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting HilbertHimmelwaerts: Quote:
I just checked the credits for Stardust.
One Credit says:
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Based on the Novel written by
Neil Gaiman
and illustrated by
Charles Vess
Only two Profiles of this movie (UK and South Africa) credit Charles Vess too, is it wrong to say:
Original Material by:
Neil Gaiman
Charles Vess? I would say give Charles Vess a OMB credit since the movie is based on a Graphic Novel. | | | | Chris |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cmaeditor: Quote:
I would say give Charles Vess a OMB credit since the movie is based on a Graphic Novel. Don't think so, it's not like a comic book. Charles Vess "merely" illustrated the novel of Neil Gaiman that's why there are two versions out (illustrated and not illustrated). I don't know the film (yet) but for an OMB the scenes should better be pretty close to Mr Vess's illustrations (which would make him a kind of storyboard author). Just my  | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | That's not quite true. Neil Gaiman and Charles Vess worked on the graphic novel together when it was first published.
It wasn't until later that it was published as a conventional novel without the illustrations. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 844 |
| | Posted: | | | | Learn something new everyday...I read this years ago, but I never had the least inkling that there was an illustrated version. Wikipedia seems to back up that it was released first as an illustrated graphic novel for DC comics. I think the validity of an OMB credit would rely on a direct comparison between the movie and those illustrations, however. | | | | Last edited: by bob9000 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Based on the credt...and only the credit...I would not enter him. As the credits are written, Neil Gaiman is the writer of the novel and Charles Vess was the illustrator. We credit the person who wrote the original material, not the person or people that illustrated it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No illustrated by, why would we. He didn't write anything, it says he drew pretty pictures and we don't have a credit for drawing pictures.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 72 |
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No illustrated by, why would we. He didn't write anything, it says he drew pretty pictures and we don't have a credit for drawing pictures. But the rules don't even mention writing. The Defination for Original Material: Quote:
Adapted from another medium. This movie is adepted from a graphic novel (graphic=Vess/novel=Gaiman). I watched the making of and they show a bookcover, this one: http://www.amazon.com/Stardust-Romance-Within-Realms-Faerie/dp/156389470X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208595375&sr=1-2 This cover of the book says very clear: Neil Gaiman and Charles Vess. Quote:
but for an OMB the scenes should better be pretty close to Mr Vess's illustrations In my opinion there is a reason that they credit Mr. Vess in this prominent way. If they don't use this illustrations, why credit this guy beside the original writer. And if they used his drawings, why not credit him for this another medium material? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
There is no credit in DVDP for "Illustrated By". But there is a credit for "Based on the Novel illustrated by", it's called "original material by". |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | For what it's worth: http://www.superherohype.com/news/featuresnews.php?id=4830Quote:
SHH!: You two have obviously collaborated a lot, but is it just as much about you getting inspiration from Charles' painting as him visualizing your words?
Gaiman: Oh, completely. That was one of the driving forces for me behind everything that happened that I did in "Stardust" was 1. I want to see Charles draw this. 2. Wouldn't it be cool if Charles drew this? Or occasionally 3. I love that thing that Charlie drew, that little drawing that he did of that character, wouldn't it be cool to bring that character or that thing back so I could make him draw that more? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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There is no credit in DVDP for "Illustrated By".
But there is a credit for "Based on the Novel illustrated by", it's called "original material by". Rho: According to the data supplied you are misstating the credit, that is NOT how it reads Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting HilbertHimmelwaerts: Quote:
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No illustrated by, why would we. He didn't write anything, it says he drew pretty pictures and we don't have a credit for drawing pictures.
But the rules don't even mention writing. The Defination for Original Material:
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Adapted from another medium.
This movie is adepted from a graphic novel (graphic=Vess/novel=Gaiman).
I watched the making of and they show a bookcover, this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Stardust-Romance-Within-Realms-Faerie/dp/156389470X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208595375&sr=1-2
This cover of the book says very clear: Neil Gaiman and Charles Vess.
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but for an OMB the scenes should better be pretty close to Mr Vess's illustrations
In my opinion there is a reason that they credit Mr. Vess in this prominent way. If they don't use this illustrations, why credit this guy beside the original writer. And if they used his drawings, why not credit him for this another medium material? Exactly what job category does that description fit with, hilbert. Ummmm let me see if I can remember without looking...WRITING. The answer remains NO. What the cover of the book is NOT relevant, we deal with FILM credits. Still NO Movie adapted from Graphic Novel...irrelevant, once again we deal with FILM credits. PERIOD. and NO some more Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Behemot: Quote:
For what it's worth:
http://www.superherohype.com/news/featuresnews.php?id=4830
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SHH!: You two have obviously collaborated a lot, but is it just as much about you getting inspiration from Charles' painting as him visualizing your words?
Gaiman: Oh, completely. That was one of the driving forces for me behind everything that happened that I did in "Stardust" was 1. I want to see Charles draw this. 2. Wouldn't it be cool if Charles drew this? Or occasionally 3. I love that thing that Charlie drew, that little drawing that he did of that character, wouldn't it be cool to bring that character or that thing back so I could make him draw that more? Behemot: With all due respect, my friend, that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the film credit. According to the data as supplied it's no, we have NO provision for illustrated by at this time, if Hilbert wants it for his local that is his business and he can most certainly do that, BUT it does not Contributed. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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Quoting hal9g:
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There is no credit in DVDP for "Illustrated By".
But there is a credit for "Based on the Novel illustrated by", it's called "original material by".
Rho:
According to the data supplied you are misstating the credit, that is NOT how it reads
Skip No, that's exactly how the given credit for Charles Vess has to be read. |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting HilbertHimmelwaerts: Quote:
I just checked the credits for Stardust.
One Credit says:
Quote:
Based on the Novel written by
Neil Gaiman
and illustrated by
Charles Vess
Only two Profiles of this movie (UK and South Africa) credit Charles Vess too, is it wrong to say:
Original Material by:
Neil Gaiman
Charles Vess? The studio credited both the author of the text and the author of the illustrations of the novel the movie is based on, so should we, in my view. I take it to mean that the inspiration for the movie came both from the text and from the illustrations. Thus, OMB for both Gaiman and Vess. | | | | -- Enry |
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