This is in regard to my pending contribution for I, Robot.

There is some dispute over how this title should be capitalized. I've argued that the lowercase "i" on the cover is stylized, but several "No" votes have put forth the opinion that the capitalization on the cover should be followed. As a counterexample, consider covers where the titles are printed entirely in lower case - e.g, "the big hit" and "good night, and good luck." It's obvious that these are stylized and that they should be listed in the database following the rules of English capitalization. From these examples, it's clear that the Invelos rule "Check capitalization of the title" is not intended to mean "Always follow the capitalization as printed even if it conflicts with wider, more established rules of grammar."

Interestingly, anyone who advocates "i, Robot" is not even following a strict interpretation of the Invelos rule, which would dictate that "i, ROBOT" is correct. I conclude from this that are really only two valid possibilities:

"i, ROBOT" - A strict interpretation of the Invelos rule

"I, Robot" - A relaxed interpretation that gives deferrence to the English rules of capitalization

"i, Robot" is a half-and-half interpretation that does not apply either method consistently.

I'd like to hear more opinions on this.

I would say follow standard capitalisation rules as well. There are very few exceptions to this (eXistenZ being one of them) and I can't see why this one should be too.

PS: I've just checked and my profile for I, Robot is already like that so yeah, I'd say go for that option.

Quoting Tony Le:

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From these examples, it's clear that the Invelos rule "Check capitalization of the title" is not intended to mean "Always follow the capitalization as printed even if it conflicts with wider, more established rules of grammar."

I agree, that is not what the Rule is intended to mean.

I have always interpreted the Rule stating "check capitalization" to mean check it against standard capitalization for your locality.

'I, Robot' is correct according to my reading of the Rule.

Agree: I, Robot

Quoting Tony Le:

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so I'd suggest anyone in the "I, Robot" camp vote on it.

You cannot vote on discs you don't have in your DVD Profiler.

You could give us the UPC/EAN and we could add it to our wishlist and then vote on it. But TBH I am against such practices.

That's why I haven't voted on it either - I don't own this title and have no intention of buying it so can't in all conscience vote on the change.

But what is on the cover is a graphic, a logo representing the title. Just the same as the Batman logo represents Batman.

If this is really how we're supposed to enter the titles into Profiler - then who's going to start contributing all the titles that are all upper-case? Where are the submissions for ROBOCOP, I AM LEGEND, THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION?

We have always followed the locality's standard capitalisation rules when entering titles. Changing the place we get the title from does not change that.

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We have no provision for such documentation, the Rules simply state take the cover from the Front Cover. there is nothing which allows for ANY kind of documentation other than what is on the cover. Sorry, guy. Front cover, period.

Now if you want to know what I think personally, you can always look at how I have it locally in my owned copy. But THAT is a local decision, that has nothing to do with what the Rules say.

"Title
Use the title from the front cover.

    * Never add distinguishing factors to the title (such as "Widescreen" or "Special Edition"). Use the Edition field for these.
    * Check capitalization of the title.
    * Do not include quotes if they surround the entire title.
    * Include possessives if the front cover includes them, and if they are verifiably part of the title. If quotes surround the title in the credit block (generally on the back cover), check whether the possessive is within the quotes. In the absence of quotes to verify, check the font size used for the title on the front cover. Generally, possessives which use a significantly smaller font are not part of the title.
    * Possessive examples: "Tim Burton's Corpse Bride", John Carpenter's "The Thing". In each case, the portion within quotes is the title.
    * For English titles do not capitalize joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. unless they are the first, last or only word in of the title. "Lord of the Rings" is correctly capitalized. "Lord Of The Rings" is not. "The Matrix Reloaded" is correctly capitalized. "The matrix reloaded" is not.
          o For non-English titles, use capitalization rules common to the language of the title “Tout va bien” is correctly capitalized. “Tout Va Bien” is not
          o If the title appears in multiple languages, use the title that matches the language of the locality and do not include an alternate title ( for instance in another language).
          o Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break.
          o For music and stage performance DVDs, use the performer or group name followed by the DVD title, separated with a colon and space. For example: "U2: Rattle and Hum", "Ellen Degeneres: The Begining".
          o Annual DVDs such WWE or NFL Films titles if the year is included it is part of the title and should not be included in the Descriptor field. For Example Title: Year.
          o The title for a Box Set should be the title listed on the Front Cover; for example Alien Quadrilogy."



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There is no provision that says take the title from the Front cover unless you can document something different. There is also nothing in the Rules that addresses stylized data. It's simple. Once he provided outside documentation he was outside the Rules.

Had he not gone to outside documentation I would have done no worse than a neutral vote. THERE is no provision to do what he did.

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