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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,819 |
| Posted: | | | | Hello all
Could you all give me input....
Please define exactly what a Partial contribution is?
I have my opinion but I want to know what others think as it has come up in an ongoing disagreement. |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | As far as I'm aware it means a contribution that doesn't include all the data that we're able to contribute. For example, I usually contribute first without cast & crew then contribute them later. To me, they are partial contributions. I suppose another definition would be when you are able to contribute more changes, but for some reason only tick some of the boxes on the submission page. That also could be called a partial contribution. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I have always seen Partial Contribution as contributing only certain fields. (checking off certain boxes when contriuting) | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Apart from contributing a new profile (and even those often aren't complete, certainly not when they're pre-release profiles), aren't basically ALL subsequent contributions "partial contributions"? |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,819 |
| Posted: | | | | Ok...
If SOME of the cast/crew is contributed is this considered a partial contribution? |
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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 254 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote: Ok...
If SOME of the cast/crew is contributed is this considered a partial contribution? I think that qualifies as a partial contribution. I seem to recall a discussion on this once where, if memory serves, the general consensus was that it was acceptable. Contributions had to be correct, not complete. Personally, I can't imagine why anyone would do the cast/crew section this way, though. If you've got the dvd set up to enter the cast, enter all of it... | | | "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world because they'd never expect it." - Jack Handey |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | Just my oppinion here : Why contribute incomplete cast/crew information? If you take the time to look at the credit to contribute it, why not write all the information...
But maybe I'm reading you wrong and you talk about pre-release profile. |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | I can see it being a lot easier to partially contribute crew than cast, as I know there's quite a few people who don't like doing sound and so tend not to do them. But I can't understand why you would partially contribute cast? I mean, technically if we miss an actor out of the middle of the list for example, we're breaking the rules as we're supposed to put them in order and if one's missing then they're no longer in order. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 951 |
| Posted: | | | | You can do partial contributions on the various sections of the Crew because of the way it is structured in DVD Profiler. Where some members feel comfortable contributing Sound Crew and others may not be comfortable contributing Sound Crew, as an example.
But, the general consensus if I remember correctly was not to do partial contributions on the cast. Where someone would enter some of the cast names but, ignore other cast corrections. Or were they would only validate the parts of the cast they wanted. With the execption of Uncredited cast since the contributor may not be able to verify that piece of data for already accepted (uncredited) cast in the profile. | | | Are you local? This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. | | | Last edited: by Tracer |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | I think partial corrections to a cast list is more understandable than a partial contribution. After all, there may be some errors you just don't notice and so you end up only fixing the ones you do see. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,819 |
| Posted: | | | | Ok....let's get specific.
This all stems back to my recent thread regarding Bewitched Season 3.
I contributed the cast as I felt they should be (from the END credits). The cast were complete from those end credits; and obviously taken from the DVD and no other source.
However, they were voted down because, according to some, I had missed Agnes Moorehead from some of the episodes. While I disagreed with the 'NO' voters interpretation of the rules I withdrew the contributions.
Upon further reflection, and a re-read of the rules, I decided that my contribution was correct and re-submitted them.
The same 3 people have voted NO, stating "some cast missing" (or words to that effect).
So, my question is this:
If what I DID submit is correct and taken from the actual credits; and could also be considered a partial contribution of the cast.....then surely voting NO is a violation of the rules; because there is nothing in the rules that states I have to add all the cast.
I realise that I am potentially splitting hairs here, but...I am trying to get valid and correct information into the database - which other members can use as a baseline to add to. I realise that some people have already posed the question "why don't you just add Agnes Moorehead yourself" and the answer is....IT IS WRONG to do so in my opinion and the rules don't support it.
This really comes down to a voting issue: Is a few missing entries in a cast list reason to vote NO, if everything else is correct? | | | Last edited: by Pantheon |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Interesting quandry, on the one hand, yes I agree that missing someone off a cast list like that does warrant a "no" vote. on the other hand, I agree with you that Agnes doesn't belong on there in the first place! |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,366 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote: This really comes down to a voting issue: Is a few missing entries in a cast list reason to vote NO, if everything else is correct? Not for me. If you want to add the things that you think are missing you could always add them later. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote: Quoting Pantheon:
Quote: This really comes down to a voting issue: Is a few missing entries in a cast list reason to vote NO, if everything else is correct? Not for me. If you want to add the things that you think are missing you could always add them later. Not for me either, provided that you don't delete existing and correct data with your contribution. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,621 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree with the others.
While full and complete cast/crew (and everything else for that matter) would be ideal, some correct info is better than none and certainly no worthy of a "no" vote. I once saw something like this on a disc I had, and I voted yes with a note along the lines of "why not do the full cast". The question wasn't answered but the submission was approved (I'm 98% sure on last statement).
If anything else is deleted that's another story, but with proper documentation not ness. a "no" vote either. | | | Last edited: by bigdaddyhorse |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Pantheon, I believe if you detail the situation in your notes, it will be accepted. I've seen Invelos carefully evaluate situations such as this. Generally they will choose to accept a large addition of cast and crew, even with a few noted objections. As for the issue of cast credited in the beginning which is not credited in the end credits, it's my recollection that the intent (oh, noes...the 'intent' word ) was to cover situations like TV movies where the major cast is credited in the beginning and the supporting cast is credited at the end. It's unfortunate that this was not made more clear and we're left with oddities where one actor from the beginning credits isn't credited in the end, but hopefully we can get a rule clarification. One can dream. Good luck and thanks for doing the updates. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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