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How should titles with small 'i', instead of 'I' be done |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | Such as these: To me if the title is either in all small letter or capitalized then the title should be changed. Such as: the air i breathe > The Air I Breathe dot the i > Dot the I how i met your mother ? How I Met Your Mother i am sam > I am Sam and so on. However, if the title is used to single out the small 'i' then the title should reflect that since it was done on purpose. Such as: M:i-2 > Remains the same to reflect what is on the cover. i, ROBOT > i, Robot (Change the ROBOT to Robot, but keep the small 'i' since it's obvious it is done that way for a reason. THE i INSIDE > The i Inside (Same reason as i, Robot) Perhaps I'm wrong in this, but I have come across several cases in different regions for i,Robot which is done the way I showed, including the All Access versions for Region 1. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 742 |
| Posted: | | | | Agree, except for M:I-2, as the "dot" stems from the cuttting line running through all letters and the number as well. Without that cut line, the cover would read M:I-2 | | | Lutz | | | Last edited: by Darxon |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,366 |
| Posted: | | | | All the i's should be capitalized no matter if they are written with a dot on the cover. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,715 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Darxon: Quote: Agree, except for M:I-2, as the "dot" stems from the cuttting line running trhough all letters and the number as well. Without that cut line, the cover would read M:I-2 Agreed! AA | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | We use standard capitalisation for titles. |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Posts: 189 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree with the standard capitalization rules for covers. That's how the rules break it down. But... what if, for instance, THE i INSIDE was spelled THE "i" INSIDE
In that case I believe the title should be The "i" Inside due to the quotation marks | | | Peter
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Well, if you're going to write M:i-2 you'll have to split the M and the 2 as well as that's how they are written on the cover. Good luck with that! | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | It also looks peculiar to write "Dot the I" and then use an "I" without a dot... | | | Hans |
| Registered: May 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,033 |
| Posted: | | | | hmmm, so i just re-read over the title rules and it never actually says anything about standard capitalization. the three parts that apply to capitalization of titles are: Quote: Check capitalization of the title. that is very vague, check for what? that it matches how it appears on the title? Quote: For English titles do not capitalize joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. unless they are the first, last or only word in of the title. "Lord of the Rings" is correctly capitalized. "Lord Of The Rings" is not. "The Matrix Reloaded" is correctly capitalized. "The matrix reloaded" is not. seems to imply standard capitalization because it says "The matrix reloaded" is incorrect and "The Matrix Reloaded" is correct, and the cover is in all capitals. Other than indirectly in the examples however this rule is only mentioning 'joining words' and says nothing about standardizing the capitalization. Quote: For non-English titles, use capitalization rules common to the language of the title “Tout va bien” is correctly capitalized. “Tout Va Bien” is not Now capitalization rules are mentioned, but it says for non-English titles. It says nothing about using capitalization rules for English titles. The rules do mention to use standard capitalization rules for credits if they are in all capital but nothing about if they are all lowercase. Further, nothing says to apply this same thing to the title. In fact the capitalization rules for titles is actually very unclear if read. additionally, there seems to be a lot of focus on the "i" in all the titles mentioned, but there are titles (such as crazy/beautiful) that are on the cover in all lowercase, don't contain an i, and have been entered with standard capitalization rules. I can see going from all caps to standard caps, I can somewhat see going from all lowercase to standard caps, but I can't really see going from mixed caps and selectively capitalizing certain words that were left lowercase for a reason. though it seems weird to then be applying standard capitalization rules to parts of the title (ROBOT -> Robot in i,ROBOT, plus for i,Robot a space is being added to the title as it appears on the front cover. and "THE i INSIDE" to either "The i Inside" or "The I Inside") -Agrare |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Darxon: Quote: Agree, except for M:I-2, as the "dot" stems from the cuttting line running through all letters and the number as well. Without that cut line, the cover would read M:I-2 Agree with this as well. I also agree with Agrare. Far too many people are claiming 'standard capitalization' when it isn't in the rules...at least not for English titles. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Far too many people are claiming 'standard capitalization' when it isn't in the rules...at least not for English titles. It's there contextually when you take all of the title rules together, including the examples. It could be made more clear for sure. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | All the rules say about capitalization and titles (insofar as titles in English go) is:
Check capitalization of the title.
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For English titles do not capitalize joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. unless they are the first, last or only word in of the title.
Unfortunately the first statement isn't too clear about "check capitalization." That could simply mean to make sure your entry matches what's on the box (i.e., The i Inside or i, ROBOT). It doesn't actually say that if the title is in all caps use mixed case. The stuff about using standard capitalization relates to the rule in CREDITS that says:
Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.
It's possible to infer from this that we should do the same for titles, but that is only an inference and not specifically state in the rules.
My personal reason for disliking titles that are in all caps is that with today's use of proportional fonts a title in all caps takes up too much space. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 | | | Last edited: by kdh1949 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | What he said. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote: All the rules say about capitalization and titles (insofar as titles in English go) is:
Check capitalization of the title.
and
For English titles do not capitalize joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. unless they are the first, last or only word in of the title. That's not completely true. It says more than that. You left out the examples bolded below: Quote: For English titles do not capitalize joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. unless they are the first, last or only word in of the title. "Lord of the Rings" is correctly capitalized. "Lord Of The Rings" is not. "The Matrix Reloaded" is correctly capitalized. "The matrix reloaded" is not. The examples given in the rules are examples of standard capitalization for English. We are directed to use these methods. There's no exception stated for matching the case on the cover. Quote: Unfortunately the first statement isn't too clear about "check capitalization." That could simply mean to make sure your entry matches what's on the box (i.e., The i Inside or i, ROBOT). It doesn't mean that. We are given examples to use regardless of how they're printed on the box. There's no directive to not use the given examples if the title on the box is differently capitalized. Quote: It doesn't actually say that if the title is in all caps use mixed case. It gives examples which do communicate that. Quote: The stuff about using standard capitalization relates to the rule in CREDITS that says:
Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead. It's explicit in the credits section. It's implicit in the examples given in the title section. Quote: It's possible to infer from this that we should do the same for titles, but that is only an inference and not specifically state in the rules. The examples provide the direction. There's no example given in which we are directed to follow odd font capitalization from covers. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| Registered: May 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,033 |
| Posted: | | | | if you read my post, which I quoted the same rules kdh1949 later quoted I pretty much addressed what you said in your post. As for it being implicit in the rules, I really don't think that is enough. And I don't think we can go by the examples because when we had a similar discussion about how Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace shouldn't be Star Wars I: The Phantom Menace because it was an specific example in the rules Ken removed it from the given examples. Also, I see no one commented on the fact that I, Robot / i, Robot / i, ROBOT / I, ROBOT are all incorrect as they all add a non existent space between the comma and the R. And I never said what "Check Capitalization" means. I just said that it was very vague and it could mean to match the box. though that would be an assumption, just as you saying it doesn't mean that, or saying it means something else is an assumption. "When you make an assumption you make an ass out of 'u' and 'mption'" (prize to whoever sources the quote ) also, you are taking the examples out of context. The examples are giving when referring to the 'joining words'. I'll admit that the second example (The Matrix Reloaded) doesn't really seem to be an example of joining words, but the fact remains that the rules never clearly state any specifics on title capitalization as compared to the case or for standardizing it. In short if someone submited "i,Robot" just like that, I wouldn't vote no and I probably wouldnt even vote no to "I,Robot" or the variations with a space after the comma. -Agrare |
| Registered: May 25, 2007 | Posts: 176 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote: It also looks peculiar to write "Dot the I" and then use an "I" without a dot... Where "I" is used as a first-person pronoun (as in I Am Sam or I, Robot), it should be capitalised. Anything else is grammatically wrong and should not be encouraged. In this case, however, the "i" is being used as a letter (or, perhaps more accurately, as a grapheme) and capitalisation would depend on context. In this case, I believe the proper interpretation of the use-mention distinction would be to render the i in italics. As that is impossible, Dot The 'i' would be my second choice, but as adding extra punctuation into a title would be forbidden (even thought I really want to add a comma into Love Actually), it would be best represented as Dot the i. But in general, no matter what fancy choices of fonts* the cover artist has used, we should follow proper rules of capitalisation. *It's not unheard of for a font to have a capital I that looks like a lower case i. I propose that we assume I, Robot uses such a font, and capitalise it properly. |
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