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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sometimes people change the order of the producer credits (also writer credits) in a profile based on "the DVD." I'm not sure exactly what the correct order is.
Most producers and writers are credited in the opening credits. Opening credits generally follow a pattern in reverse order from what we use in DVD Profiler (i.e., Opening Credits: Film Editor>DOP> Producers> Writers> Director vs DVDP Director>Writers>Producers>DOP>Film Editor). Frequently they are listed Producers first, then Executive Producers. But often there are two people on one screen. So how should we determine what the order is? | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 585 |
| | Posted: | | | | You can't reorder the categories themselves to match the film's credits, but you can certainly put the people in their respective categories in the order they appear on screen. So that is what they are referring to. So in the Producer category they are just listing the Producers/Exec Producers in the same order as they appear in the opening credits. Usually they list a bunch of Producers and then the Exec Producers. Sometimes they'll list Producers, some Exec Producers, then some more Producers and you just enter them in the order they list them and don't try to sort all the Producers together and all the Exec Producers together. If they're all mixed up in the credits, then that is how they should be in DVDP. If there's multiple names on the screen then list them top to bottom or if they're side-by-side then do left to right. | | | "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men" - Douglas Bader
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | I order them 1) Chronologically from the start of the disc and then 2) From the top of the screen to the bottom. It could be argued that in the opening credits the crew credits get "more important" as they approach the end (Director) but i don't reverse the order of the Producers/Exec Producers to compensate for that (nor do i order them from bottom to top within a screen's worth  ). Just to repeat the applicable Rule [bolded as found]: Group names of crew members together within each role available and list in exactly the same order credited. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's sad indeed that Hollywood doesn't follow our standards for job titles and ordering...  On a related issue: I found (in one movie): Executive Producer Executive in Charge of Production Production Executive Are they all executive producers? | | | | Hans |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote:
Executive Producer
Executive in Charge of Production
Production Executive
Are they all executive producers? Directing and Producing for Television: A Format Approach by Yvan Cury ISBN 0240808274 Quote:
The Executive Producer:
Executive producers may have sold the program or they may have been put in place by a network ot station to oversee a particular program or series. They maje the deal, set the pending parameters, and may have the final say over who is hired. they may also recommend particulair facilities and personal, and so on.
Production Executive, or Executive in Charge of Production:
this individual has the greatest involvement with financial state of the production.
In some ways the job requires the skills of a lawyer, accountant, or a production manager, but the scope implied by the title is greater. Executives in charge may negotiate rentals of current resources, and they often offer creative solutions to production problems. so the answer should be no | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | I start at the beginning of the film and enter each person in the order they appear. If more than one person is on screen, I enter them 'left to right' and 'top to bottom'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote:
It's sad indeed that Hollywood doesn't follow our standards for job titles and ordering...
On a related issue:
I found (in one movie):
Executive Producer
Executive in Charge of Production
Production Executive
Are they all executive producers? I would say no, since this is not covered by the rules, and I also believe this has been discussed before, and the consensus was not to credit the latter two in DVD Profiles, as far as I remember. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | see previous post | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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| Registered: May 10, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Behemot: Quote:
Quoting Staid S Barr:
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It's sad indeed that Hollywood doesn't follow our standards for job titles and ordering...
On a related issue:
I found (in one movie):
Executive Producer
Executive in Charge of Production
Production Executive
Are they all executive producers?
I would say no, since this is not covered by the rules, and I also believe this has been discussed before, and the consensus was not to credit the latter two in DVD Profiles, as far as I remember. Agreed! Production credits should be entered precisely as they appear on screen and in the specific order they appear. No room for misinterpretation in the rules there (no co, supervising, in charge of... (and so forth)... should be entered).  | | | Berak
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | see previous post | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's just not the same. How is a Production Executive the same as an Executive Producer? His role in the production (as found in the credits) is as an Executive - NOT as a Producer! Same with Executive in charge of production. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
I order them
1) Chronologically from the start of the disc and then
2) From the top of the screen to the bottom.
It could be argued that in the opening credits the crew credits get "more important" as they approach the end (Director) but i don't reverse the order of the Producers/Exec Producers to compensate for that (nor do i order them from bottom to top within a screen's worth ).
Just to repeat the applicable Rule [bolded as found]: Group names of crew members together within each role available and list in exactly the same order credited. This is how I THOUGHT they should be listed, though it wasn't always my opinion. Before the exactly the same order credited, I was tempted to show the producers before the executive producers, on the assumption that producers have more "hands-on" roles in the production of the film, But I can live with chronologically / top to bottom (and left to right, as Unicus added) as an applicable "standard." But I suppose I'll have to allow for an oddball credit list that might include: Producer Executive Producer Producer Producer Executive Producer These oddities often plague the credits for Television series, where Executive Producers may appear both in the opening AND end credits. As Skip would say, "another reason why I hate Hollywood," to which I would add "and all other production meccas."  | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | TThose hgappen sometimes, Ken.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here's one I saw recently: Supervising Executive Producer. I guess that would qualify as an EP...?  | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote:
It's sad indeed that Hollywood doesn't follow our standards for job titles and ordering...
On a related issue:
I found (in one movie):
Executive Producer
Executive in Charge of Production
Production Executive
Are they all executive producers? I see this has already been resolved, but I thought I'd just include the answer I got from the PGA when I e-mailed them about these 3 credits and whether they were all the same as Executive Producer: Quote:
No, they are very different titles. A production executive (in movies) and
an EICP (in TV) are employees of the distributor who are assigned to oversee
the production of the project. The executive producer (at least in
television) is the primary producer, the individual who's most responsible
for all creative and logistical decisions. In movies, the executive
producer is less important than the "Produced by"... The executive producer
might be a principal financier or someone who acquired the underlying rights
to the material. It's not unheard of, in movies, for a production exec to
be credited as an executive producer, but it's not the most accurate use of
the title. In television, however, there's a big difference.
Hope this is helpful...
Best,
Chris Green
Director of Communications
Producers Guild of America |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Very interesting to see what PGA has to say about the differences in these roles. I never knew the diferences existed between television and movie productions, but now the credit placement makes more sense. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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