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Cloning Information for Region Specific Releases
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantron7
Registered: February 10, 2008
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G'day from Australia.

I entered my library using the UPC and had a mostly good experience (thanks to all who have made this possible), but some of my titles--especially boxed sets--have no entry under Region 4, but do appear on a search by title for Region 1.  Generally, the cover art is different, but the content the same.

My question is:

Is there a way to take an existing entry for (say) a region 1 version, clone it, and modify the appropriate parts (UPC, region, price, currency, cover scans etc) for submission under the new UPC?

Retyping all the work others have already done seems both wasteful and error prone, plus there is not a one for one correspondence between the entry and display forms.  Painful...

I tried searching for a topic like this without joy, so apologies in advance if this has been covered--just tell me where.
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Knock yourself out . That's what most everyone does for multiple region releases...especially our european friends.

Make sure locality and region are correct for your release. Just make sure that you verifiy all info afterwards prior to contribution and annotate in your contribution notes exactly where the info came from.

Welcome to the asylum .
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorruineddaydreams
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to clarify.. 8ball told you to go ahead and do it... and forgot to tell you how 
for the effort anyhow

first go ahead and add the R1 version you found to your database, then go to...

DVD -> Change UPC and change it to the correct UPC (or in this case it may be called an EAN, pardon me don't dabble in too many imports)

DVD -> Change Locality and change it to the correct Locality

make sure you change the cover art, and msrp to match the locality properly (ie currency)... for non english speaking countries you would also have to modify the title and overview to match native tongue, being from oz and getting a R1 profile that should already match up.

verify other aspects are indeed identical from discs (credits / runtime - main issue is typically if a certain scene is cut due to censorship in a certain locality, that actor would be excluded from the on screen credits)

contribute to main database noting exactly what you did, and that you did in fact verify it verse the actual discs.

then your fellow Australian users can be thankful that you have increased the R4 part of the database.
-JoN
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I appolgize for the vagueness of my reply. I completely misread the OP's question. For some reason I thought he was only asking if it was an accepted practice in copying profiles . Thanks Jon for being so consise.
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no worries - that was part of his question as well i suspect...
-JoN
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Thanks both.  Shall do as you suggest.
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Also remember that you can copy and paste cast/crew information between profiles, which can be handy if you've got a profile that only needs updating in one of these areas.  For the benefit of the sticklers, make sure what you copy matches what you see onscreen.

PS- Nice collection you've got.  I can see a bit of overlap with mine, so we might end up voting on one another's contribs.
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If you're starting from R1 profiles, don't forget to adjust the running time. R1 has NTSC, R4 (usually) PAL. Because of the so-called PAL speed-up, running times in PAL are usually 4% shorter than their NTSC counterparts.

The DVD player in your PC (e.g. PowerDVD) will tell you what the actual running time is. Indications of running times on DVD covers are often wrong.
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Quoting ruineddaydreams:
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first go ahead and add the R1 version you found to your database, then go to...

DVD -> Change UPC and change it to the correct UPC (or in this case it may be called an EAN, pardon me don't dabble in too many imports)

DVD -> Change Locality and change it to the correct Locality


Note that you may need to select the 'Show all Localities' box because otherwise it only lets you pick from countries that match the Region coding of the disc... or change the region coding first of course.

Other things that have not been mentioned (I think): Actually changing the video from NTSC to PAL, check the languages and subtitles (quite often they are different and the Australian release will most like drop the, common in the US, Spanish subs for example), replace the Disc ID with the one you own (or at least delete the one there as it will be different) and, well, basically (as people have said) check everything!
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantfalcon2099
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To sum up: your basic checklist.

REGION: make sure to change it to R4

RATING: I think R4 ratings are the same as R1 so you should be OK

RELEASE DATE: your release may or may not be different

SRP: make sure currency matches locality

CASE/SLIP: may be different

STUDIOS: sometimes in different geographic areas, the studios (distributor studio) are different (or are listed in a different order in an R4 release than on a R1 release

VIDEO: will probably need to change from NTSC to PAL (watch out for differences in aspect ratio as well)

AUDIO: audio & subs will probably be different too

OVERVIEW: may or may not be different.  (even in R1 releases, covers in the US and Canada are oftentimes different due to spelling differences: "color" vs "colour", that sort of thing

DISCID: will definitely be different

COVERS: will definitely be different



Happy Profiling!!
Peter

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Quoting falcon2099:
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To sum up: your basic checklist.

REGION: make sure to change it to R4

RATING: I think R4 ratings are the same as R1 so you should be OK

RELEASE DATE: your release may or may not be different

SRP: make sure currency matches locality

CASE/SLIP: may be different

STUDIOS: sometimes in different geographic areas, the studios (distributor studio) are different (or are listed in a different order in an R4 release than on a R1 release

VIDEO: will probably need to change from NTSC to PAL (watch out for differences in aspect ratio as well)

AUDIO: audio & subs will probably be different too

OVERVIEW: may or may not be different.  (even in R1 releases, covers in the US and Canada are oftentimes different due to spelling differences: "color" vs "colour", that sort of thing

DISCID: will definitely be different

COVERS: will definitely be different



Happy Profiling!!



RUNNING TIME: will almost certainly be different

LOCALITY: will definitely be different (change region first, then locality)
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Good stuff. I've compiled your suggestions and instructions into this Wiki entry:

http://www.dougweb.org/dvdpro/kb/index.php?title=Cloning_Profiles

Obviously you should feel free to edit for corrections or clarifications.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantron7
Registered: February 10, 2008
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Thanks to all for helpful, comprehensive suggestions and check list (to a newbie especially--much appreciated). 

I've made a small start on a Region set released here as "Angel Season One Episodes 1-22" using the UK version as the starting point (50309036018647).  The UPC, region, currency, RRP, running time, description, etc have been changed, as have the front/rear case scans (I used 600px high because I could not find a specific image size recommendation).

The Disc IDs as read from the actual discs matched the ones for Region 1 (but it IS cataloged as region 1-4 so not so surprising).

The UK data had a running time as 903 minutes.  The Australian version (which must be the same as the disk IDs are the same) does not provide a total time, rather it gives individual disc times that total to 990 minutes.  I've gone with this, not seeing any valid reason not to.

The result has been submitted, but I'm seeing one anomaly:

In the "General Info" of the DVD Profiler window, "United Kingdom" appears over the Region 4 icon and new UPC!  I've checked the edit pane and even exported the XML to double check.  This quite explicitly says:

    <CountryOfOrigin>Australia</CountryOfOrigin>
  ...
    <Regions>
      <Region>4</Region>
    </Regions>

"United Kingdom" (as a string) appears nowhere in the exported XML <DVD> tag, so where is DVD Profiler concocting this from?  Perhaps it's encoded in the UPC? But the code is very different from the UK one.  Most strange... Could it be a bug?
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Check the locality. Sounds like it has a United Kingdom locality.

Highlight the title in the collection list. Goto the menu>DVD and choose Change Locality. Change it from United Kingdom to Australia.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantAgrare
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Quoting ron7:
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(I used 600px high because I could not find a specific image size recommendation).


here is the cover image section of the rules

I'm not seeing it there, but i know it is somewhere

500x700 with a max file size of 200,000 bytes

-Agrare
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantron7
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Goto the menu>DVD and choose Change Locality. Change it from United Kingdom to Australia.


Subtle! And I should have spotted it in the XML.  The region number is appended to the UPC (with a dot separator).  Voltair53 also mentioned this but I missed it.

All fixed; thanks.
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