I wanted to ask for claification on the following:

A while back someone was trying to edit the title of "The Nightmare Before Christmas" to make it read "Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas" (717951-009395) and it got shot down stating that the title did NOT include Tim Burton's name.

I am looking at a DVD in my collection that I feel should probably be edited to reflect the same issue but wanted to get clarification here before contributing the fix. The title is "Neil Simon's The Cheap Detective" (043396-903999). Why shouldn't this actually be "The Cheap Detective"? What would be different about this and the other listed above?

Would someone be so kind as to set me straight on these?

I am enclosing a cover shot for those who do not have this title so they can see what the cover actually looks like.



Thank you
Mark

Based on the rear cover for this title it would be "The Cheap Detective" because the Possessive is not included within the quotes of the title in the credit block.

Now I am wondering why ... but here is what I found when I went to contribute title without Neil Simon in it:

Movie title is "The Cheap Detective" not Neal Simon's "Cheap " ".

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I can not get my hands on this DVD right now to be able to look at the opening credits, but even if it is Neil Simon's "The Cheap Detective", shouldn't it be "The Cheap Detective" as the title and the original title could reflect Neil Simon in it?

Quoting mwkirchner:

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Now I am wondering why ... but here is what I found when I went to contribute title without Neil Simon in it:

Movie title is "The Cheap Detective" not Neal Simon's "Cheap " ".

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Profile Contribution Declined Jun  4 2007  9:43PM

I can not get my hands on this DVD right now to be able to look at the opening credits, but even if it is Neil Simon's "The Cheap Detective", shouldn't it be "The Cheap Detective" as the title and the original title could reflect Neil Simon in it?

I would guess why it got declined before is because there were quotes around the title. The rules say not to include the quotes.

Quoting hal9g:

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Quoting 8ballMax:

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Based on the rear cover for this title it would be "The Cheap Detective" because the Possessive is not included within the quotes of the title in the credit block.

This is the Rule that applies.

Neil Simon's is outside of the quote marks within the "credit block" on the back of the DVD, thereofre it is not part of the title.

The opening credits do not matter.

But in my recent submisson for  SE7EN, I wanted to use the name "SEVEN" which is in the credit block,, ( and the prior first editon of the same film had the Title SEVEN on the front cover/and within the credit block and the Disc ID also had the name seven in its encoded ID .

You had voted No and said the following (for the Name change of Se7en to Seven) -
" Only use of credit block is for possessives, not for original titles." 
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Quoting mwkirchner:

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Now I am wondering why ... but here is what I found when I went to contribute title without Neil Simon in it:

Movie title is "The Cheap Detective" not Neal Simon's "Cheap " ".

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Profile Contribution Declined Jun  4 2007  9:43PM

I can not get my hands on this DVD right now to be able to look at the opening credits, but even if it is Neil Simon's "The Cheap Detective", shouldn't it be "The Cheap Detective" as the title and the original title could reflect Neil Simon in it?

Keep in mind, this was done prior to the possesive rule being added.

you need to post the rear picture, not the front since it is the credit block on the rear cover that is used to determine whether or not the possessive is part of the title.

In this case it looks to me like it is, but I don't have the title. I'm just looking at the scan that's available. If I'm reading the credit block correctly it would be: "Clive Barker's The Plague"

Here is the rear: