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| Registered: November 11, 2007 |  Posts: 44 |
| | Posted: | | | | I removed all info about crew/cast on a DVD profile I submitted, all that info obviously coming from IMDB (spelling, language), and replaced it with the info I could collect directly from the package and booklet.
Profile was voted "nay" by someone who complained about the loss of data and the differences with the IMDB profile. It's the only vote so far... ( = my submission could be turned down for that reason !)
Could Invelos emphasize more about that IMDB/Copyright matter, possibly on the screens where voters and submitters oper? | | | | Lernu la internacian lingvon |
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| Registered: April 7, 2007 |  Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | I clearly don't have this title. But have to say on what you have written, I'm sorry but I would have voted no as well. Cast and crew info should come from the film credits NOT the Package and booklet.
I am definitley not saying IMDB is right but you are not just submitting to remove the IMDB you also want to add cast and crew data from the package and booklet which is not where it should come from. | | | | Last edited: by Graveworm |
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| Registered: December 16, 2007 |  Posts: 926 |
| | Posted: | | | | What UPC? I'm curious  |
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| Registered: November 11, 2007 | | Posts: 44 |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,744 |
| | Posted: | | | | While the IMDb data is not correct and the vote reason is wrong, the place where you collected the data is also wrong.
Cast and Crew are to be taken from the end credit.
I would vote no for that reason, there is no point in replacing bad data with different bad data. | | | Karsten
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| Registered: November 11, 2007 | | Posts: 44 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well well well...
I understand perfectly what you try to achieve, but this also means that a huge part of the existing data is invalid, and will remain so.
I took time to erase invalid data, to copy the credits that are printed on the material I have, it was time-consuming enough. Now, I'm not sure I will take the time to watch the credits, and stop and go on my player... and this for the 280 movies I have.
This should really be printed in huge font at the right places :
the only valid data is from on screen : dont contribute any cast or crew from any other source
There also should be a way to tell that a contribution has been made according to this rule, and is correct and complete and final, and should not be updated (especially not by cover copiers or IMDB pasters) | | | | Lernu la internacian lingvon |
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| Registered: April 7, 2007 | | Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | To be fair the rules do say that in a round about way. There is also a mechanism for locking parts of titles which requires a number of votes from different users to do it.
It's really good to hear that you want to get rid of bad data and there is a lot of it out there. Taking it from the credits can be hard work but I find the easiest way is not to watch the film on the TV but on your PC with the player open in another window.
Once you have done a few it gets easier. |
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| Registered: May 25, 2007 |  Posts: 176 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think deleting the IMDb data, and replacing it with nothing would be an improvement (legally, if nothing else), and is certainly according to the rules.
Replacing a blank credit list with a partial credit list taken from the DVD packaging would be an improvement (though not quite following the rules), and is even quite common with new / coming soon DVDs. The screeners seem to let such partial lists though often enough that they can't strongly disagree.
I would probably vote yes, but with a note saying that it should be drawn from the end credits.
Not entirely the correct response, but I think it makes sense. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting sxilderik: Quote:
Well well well...
I understand perfectly what you try to achieve, but this also means that a huge part of the existing data is invalid, and will remain so.
I took time to erase invalid data, to copy the credits that are printed on the material I have, it was time-consuming enough. Now, I'm not sure I will take the time to watch the credits, and stop and go on my player... and this for the 280 movies I have.
This should really be printed in huge font at the right places :
the only valid data is from on screen : dont contribute any cast or crew from any other source
There also should be a way to tell that a contribution has been made according to this rule, and is correct and complete and final, and should not be updated (especially not by cover copiers or IMDB pasters) I think the contribution rule regarding credits is pretty clear in this regard: Credits Crew and CastTake Crew Credits from the film credits only; list names exactly as they are in the credits. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: November 11, 2007 | | Posts: 44 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, I'm sure you honestly think this is clear enough.
But it will take some time (as it took me) to realize that it means the on screen credit and only that. You know, many people don't speak english at this point of fluency where this simple word "credit" is immediately understood at its full depth.
I hope you realize that a great deal of cast/crew data on DVDpro database is invalid according to this rule.
It means that either people do it purposedly and think it's real fun to copy/paste from HKMDB or scan/OCR/paste from the DVD cover, or else, that that info was simply skipped.
I still think that this particular rule should be emphasized a great deal. And possibly, translated into the major languages. | | | | Lernu la internacian lingvon | | | | Last edited: by Sxilderik |
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| Registered: November 11, 2007 | | Posts: 44 |
| | Posted: | | | | ... still only one vote, "no"...
The IMDB listing will remain, which includes some infamous "Hark Tsui" and "Biao Yuen" (I had corrected those)
oh well... | | | | Lernu la internacian lingvon |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | It still might pass. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting sxilderik: Quote:
Well, I'm sure you honestly think this is clear enough.
But it will take some time (as it took me) to realize that it means the on screen credit and only that. You know, many people don't speak english at this point of fluency where this simple word "credit" is immediately understood at its full depth. Why? Only means "only that" doesn't it? If Ken meant that you could take credits from the screen credits AND from some other source like the box, he wouldn't have said " Take Crew Credits from the film credits only." | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
Why? Only means "only that" doesn't it? If Ken meant that you could take credits from the screen credits AND from some other source like the box, he wouldn't have said "Take Crew Credits from the film credits only." It gets much clearer if you read the rules for cast as well: "For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section at the end of the film - defined here as the "end credits"." I know we have some rules that are unclear, I never thought this was one of them.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: November 11, 2007 | | Posts: 44 |
| | Posted: | | | | Again, it's a matter of language. The word "credits" is misleading or a non english speaker, as could be our "générique" for example. Again, I think none of you really understood that I simply did not understand that use of the word "credits". In short, your rules don't need so much explanation as they do translation (and this sentence is probably incorrect) | | | | Lernu la internacian lingvon | | | | Last edited: by Sxilderik |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting sxilderik: Quote:
Again, it's a matter of language. The word "credits" is misleading or a non english speaker, as could be our "générique" for example.
Again, I think none of you really understood that I simply did not understand that use of the word "credits".
In short, your rules don't need so much explanation as they do translation (and this sentence is probably incorrect)
Sorry, my error in misunderstanding that it was the term "credits" you found confusing. Now I do understand. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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