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intilectual debate on SRP |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Posts: 72 |
| Posted: | | | | Ok, here is the deal. I buy a lot of my DVDs Previously Viewed @ Hollywood Video. Many of these have specific UPCs for the rental version. I have submitted many of these, by taking the retail UPC and changing it to the rental UPC. Then making any other changes needed.
It just ocured to me, what would the SRP be? I don't really have a problem leaving it the same as the rental version, but in theory, what would it be. You cannot buy these new. So would the SRP be the first price it is avaible at when put out prevously viewed?
For the Simpson's movie (024543484318) it would be 15.99? |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,744 |
| Posted: | | | | IMHO:
The Suggested Retail Price would be 0.00 because they are for rental, not for selling. | | | Karsten DVD Collectors Online
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Posts: 72 |
| Posted: | | | | Interesting idea. $0. Although, it also occured to me, if I rented this, and lost the DVD, how much would they charge for a replacement? That I might be able to find out... I am friendly with the local manager. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,022 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DVDog: Quote: Interesting idea. $0. Although, it also occured to me, if I rented this, and lost the DVD, how much would they charge for a replacement? That I might be able to find out... I am friendly with the local manager. Perhaps you are looking for the value of the dvd? The SRP for profiler purposes will always be $0, as DJ said, initially upon release these dvds were not for sale, only rental. We cannot use a 2nd hand price for a SRP. My thoughts anyway | | | |
| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,621 |
| Posted: | | | | Oh man, changing all those Hollywood titles to $0 SRP is really gonna mess up my "money saved from paying full price" stats bad. Even though I got most of them for under $5, I also have a bunch of former rentals I scanned and submitted with existing info (when it was right, I checked 80-90% of the discs and audited many of them), but never thought about SRP and just left it. I can see the "they were never for sale" side of it, but kinda feel the first, i.e. highest price they go on sale for could qualify. Even though they aren't meant for sale at first, they always end up for sale and I've noticed universal prices at any Hollywood you go to (local special sales are the exception). The downside to this would be release date. When the disc was available for rent as opposed to for sale, which date? Who was paying attention and can get this info. We need employees from all major rental franchises to report and dig through the old store logs. Yeah, $0 is probably best, stats be damned. |
| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,621 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DVDog: Quote: Interesting idea. $0. Although, it also occured to me, if I rented this, and lost the DVD, how much would they charge for a replacement? That I might be able to find out... I am friendly with the local manager. I'm pretty sure you'd get charged full retail of the normal disc. That happened to me at the library. Them ordering would've been full price, but they were nice and said I could go buy it elsewhere, which saved me tons to replace a disc from a boxset that slipped and stepped on. A long time ago I lost a game rented at Blockbuster, and had to pay full retail for it. Can't say positivly that's how it works with Hollywood, but would bet it is. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 742 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm not sure how this is regulated in the US, in Germany however rental discs DO have an SRP, set by the distributor to be paid by those buying the rental version. The price demanded from the end customer is usually below that, as normally those titles are used goods.
Most of the time the rental titles have a predetermined oeriod during which their sale to the general public is prohibited by the contrctual obligations entered into by the rental store.
However, there's titles that don't have that period, either because their release date is the same as the retail version's, or the distributor simply doesn't care. In those cases (and, while not covered by the contract, in other cases WITH the aformentioned period as well), those titles CAN and ARE ordered by the general public in the rental stores to buy directly.
If someone were to start setting SRPs for rental versions I own to "0" I'd be clicking red for sure. | | | Lutz | | | Last edited: by Darxon |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Ok Darxon, I will be happy to explain SRP from a US POV. SRP is set by the distributor as you say, but it means nothing and has no force other than reference. Every dealer has their own policies regarding SRP, thus while MGM may say the SRP is $24.95, you may see retailers listing it all over the map within that ballpark. BB may be $24.97, CC $24.99, Wal-Mart $24.93, etc and the variation could be as high as $.25 All those prices are virtually the same which is why the Rules read as they do. The ONLY isssue since ther are dealers that will sell off the SRP is, assuming a current title, if you know the SRP is supposed to be in the area 0f $25.00 and a dealer wants $35.00 (it does happen), I would presume that you would walk out of that store empty-handed. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,692 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Darxon: Quote: I'm not sure how this is regulated in the US, in Germany however rental discs DO have an SRP, set by the distributor to be paid by those buying the rental version. The price demanded from the end customer is usually below that, as normally those titles are used goods.
It's the same in the UK. All the Rental DVDs have a SRP which is used to sell these to the dvd rental companies - who then rent them out, and at the end of their shelf life will sell them. I don't know how we would find the SRP for these rental versions but it certainly shouldn't be zero. | | | Paul |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,672 |
| Posted: | | | | I am not sure that SRP is relevant when it comes to rental discs, for two reasons
1) SRP means Suggested Retail Price, meaning the price the distributor "suggests" that the retailer should charge the end customer. In the case of rental discs, these are - AFAIK - sold by the studio or wholeseller at a fixed price, determined by the studio. So it's neither "Suggested" or "Retail".
2) The retailer price is not relevant in DVD Profiler statistics. The SRP is mainly used to compute how much you have saved compared to retail price. But an end-user would never (well, hardly ever) buy a rental disc for rental terms and at rental price. So using this price would severely skew price statistics.
So, if anything should be entered as SRP it ought to be the SRP for the retail version. IMHO. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I used to manage a local rental store a few years back.... part of my job was ordering the weekly releases. I remember that we used a company named Ingram... and I also remember noting back then that Ingram charged us the SRP of the retail version for the DVDs I ordered.
That is all the info I can offer. Hope it helps some at least. | | | Pete |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Pete:
Your cost cost was based on the SRP, typically about 60%, or used to be.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Our cost was the actual SRP at the time... but thinking back I think it could have been determined on the amount of copies we bought. Since we were just a small mom & pops type store... we would only order 1 of each movie so never got any type of break on prices. | | | Pete |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | SRP is what the DVD's were on Day One,, not Day 891.. So if you paid $1.00 for the marked downs, you can still use the Purchase price of your personal page and put in your dollar, the SRP would remain the same as Day 1 of release. This is for insurance purposes., If you loose your library to fire or theft, you could theoritically use the Charts and Graphs spread sheet to determine what you paid and what the inventory was worth.. ( looking mine over I see 1998 all my prices paid/srp were around the $30 mark,, yet today 2007/08 those prices are closer to $12.00 ) .. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DVDog: Quote: Interesting idea. $0. Although, it also occured to me, if I rented this, and lost the DVD, how much would they charge for a replacement? That I might be able to find out... I am friendly with the local manager. At Blockbuster, they charge you the full SRP for the disc, should you fail to return it. I have no doubt that Hollywood is the same. I would go and check myself, but my local store closed their doors. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DVDog: Quote: Interesting idea. $0. Although, it also occured to me, if I rented this, and lost the DVD, how much would they charge for a replacement? That I might be able to find out... I am friendly with the local manager. Depends on the title.., I'm sure if you lost a title that has been in their system for a number of years they would work out a fair ressonable sale price.. If it is a new, less than 30 days old catalogue title, you may be looking at full price. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
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