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| Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was doing a profile i had done the cast list which ended at 1:48:32 i had started to check the crew list when at 1:50:36 this list of dancers appeared.  so i added them to the cast list like this  I used a divider as suggested for dancers in this thread but i have received a no vote saying "don't use dividers for group roles" i have been PMing with the individual who is now saying that if they are in the crew list they should not be entered at all. So opinions please, should they be entered and if so have i done it correctly. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,946 |
| | Posted: | | | | That's the way I did it in Bring It On: In It to Win It (5050582509656).
In the rules you can find this:
Do not include artificial actor entries to act as separators between cast lists. (e.g. "--JAPANESE CAST--"), instead use the Divider feature for this.
So in my opinion, you are correct.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ninehours: Quote:
I was doing a profile i had done the cast list which ended at 1:48:32 i had started to check the crew list when at 1:50:36 this list of dancers appeared.
you give the answer yourself: they are not in the cast list, they are in the crew list as we don't do dancers in the crew you should not contribute them | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Apparently the dancers are being treated like stunt personnel and are part of the crew. They should not get credited in the cast list. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
they are not in the cast list, they are in the crew list as we don't do dancers in the crew you should not contribute them I can understand why a stuntman is a crew member, but not for a dancer. Dancer are cast member and not crew member, they are not use as body double and they appear as they are in the films. So yes Nick the way you did it is correct | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
Quoting Giga Wizard:
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they are not in the cast list, they are in the crew list as we don't do dancers in the crew you should not contribute them
I can understand why a stuntman is a crew member, but not for a dancer. Dancer are cast member and not crew member, they are not use as body double and they appear as they are in the films. So yes Nick the way you did it is correct you are missing the point the dancers are not in the cast list they even are behind some crew listed. so they should not be credited. from the rules: Cast For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section at the end of the film - defined here as the "end credits". The section details both the actor’s Name and the Role that they played in the film. The credits may be listed "in order of appearance", "alphabetical order" or in an order of importance decided by the filmmakers. Some actors may be credited a second time in either credits at either the opening or close of the film. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
I can understand why a stuntman is a crew member, but not for a dancer. Dancer are cast member and not crew member, they are not use as body double and they appear as they are in the films. So yes Nick the way you did it is correct I'm sorry but I beg to differ. Your feelings regarding the dancers role in the film is irrelevant. The fact that they are listed in the crew list and not the cast list is relevant. If they are listed in the crew section of the film's credits then they are crew not cast. Who are we to second guess the film's producers. They were not included in the cast list for a reason. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is not a question of feelings at all. They are on screen, so they are cast member. This is exactly the same thing that a musical performer on a film or a tv show. By the way I'm certainly not the only who think like that, since 10 users have voted that they have to be on the cast list. One last thing nowhere in the rules it's written that dancer are crew member, so your answer is just an opinion too. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | If they are entered to the profile, which I'm not sure that they should be, then no divider should be abused because it would be a group role where dividers are not to be used.
EDIT: maybe they could be entered as uncredited cast? | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
This is not a question of feelings at all. They are on screen, so they are cast member. This is exactly the same thing that a musical performer on a film or a tv show. By the way I'm certainly not the only who think like that, since 10 users have voted that they have to be on the cast list. One last thing nowhere in the rules it's written that dancer are crew member, so your answer is just an opinion too. where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | In at least one of the Lord Of The Rings movies Peter Jackson's kids are credited for their cameo appearance...within the Crew. In the profiles of the DVD releases I own they are at the end of the cast lists. Should these have been left out as well? Or marked as uncredited; with documentation pointing back to the credits (  )? I would have voted not to include the dancers, as they are not in the cast list, yet my above example made me hold back for now... | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | RHo as ususal ois wrong. A divider would be appropriate, they used it in the film. W e had this discussion already RHo, it must be one you missed. However, they are not cast members as 8Bal suggested, they are not an extension of the Cast, they are completely isolated from the Cast listing. Tis is one of those that I would have to say if you want it keep it local, and yet another one of those reasons why the only way we will ever stop this is with <gasp><gulp.<swallowing real hard> open crew data. But unfortrunately for some reason this filmmamker did not make these dancers part of the cast, for our purposes, either that or EVERYTHING between the Cast and Dancers is ALSO part of the Cast.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You have it right, Giga. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Glad I don't like musicals and won't have to hurt my brain trying to figure this out. I tend to side with those who have said that since they are in the crew part of credits, they shouldn't be included. This is no different than stunts or pilots, for this movie the dancers are the stunt people. I also think that if for some reason they should be included, then a divider should be used (saying just Dancers), then the dancers all credited but without the role played name of "dancer" for each. If they count as cast, then they are seperated from the main cast and have a header, so the divider fits. I seem to recall submitting or voting on something similar and it being approved this way. Oh yeah, it was a "rest of the cast" list which came after the crew credits, while the main cast was before the crew. Pretty sure it was "The Toxic Avenger" disc I audited a month or so ago. Guess that's only good to show the divider example. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
In at least one of the Lord Of The Rings movies Peter Jackson's kids are credited for their cameo appearance...within the Crew.
In the profiles of the DVD releases I own they are at the end of the cast lists.
Should these have been left out as well? Or marked as uncredited; with documentation pointing back to the credits ()?
I would have voted not to include the dancers, as they are not in the cast list, yet my above example made me hold back for now... they are credited in all three movies, if there not in the cast listing they should not be there. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: April 3, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | Why the dancers are in the crew list and not the cast is a bit puzzling you'll have to ask the Coen Brothers why When entering them i did already have some of them (2) credited as dancers in other films which is what made me think that dancer must be a cast credit. I suppose i could enter them as uncredited cast as they are in the crew credits but that just doesn't seem right. |
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