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Addams Family - The Thing - How to credit?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCubbyUps
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I downloaded the child profiles for these and now that I own the entire series I see that it's credited in different ways.

Name - Role
-------  -------
Itself  - The Thing
Thing -  Itself
The Thing -  Itself


I'm only on disc 1 of the set and it would be good if this particular actor/role could be linked together with one name throughout the entire series.


What should be the name of the "actor" in this case?  It really is the characters name.

Just a little confused on how this should be handled.
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These Himself?Herself, and now even Itself, credits are often reversed. I think it's better to "unreverse" them for DVD Profiler as they become slightly more meaningful.

Then again, someone might find it more meaningful if double-clicking on Himself/Herself brings up all films where someone was credited that way...
Achim [諾亞信; Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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What I would do here... is (if you have them all).... first do all 3 volumes episodes as credited only (locally).... then see which name is the most commonly credited... and use that most commonly credited name as the common name.

Since that is where the online database is going (use most commonly name through look-up tool)... it is easy to do in this case since it is only for that one series... and the entire series is on DVD...  I believe the best bet is to get it right per the rules since it is easily done so.

Once the most commonly credited name is established you can then get them all straight and upload to the main database like that.
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Oops, somehow I missed the option that, lettig the reversed version alone, there are still two options left

I entirely agree with Pete on that...
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I downloaded the child profiles for these and now that I own the entire series I see that it's credited in different ways.

Name - Role
-------  -------
Itself  - The Thing
Thing -  Itself
The Thing -  Itself


I'm only on disc 1 of the set and it would be good if this particular actor/role could be linked together with one name throughout the entire series.


What should be the name of the "actor" in this case?  It really is the characters name.

Just a little confused on how this should be handled.



I guess

Carolyn Jones - Morticia
John Astin - Gomez
...
Itself - The Thing
-- Enry
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Based upon my own data, I would hazard a guess that somwhere along the way they changed the style of crediting of Thing. Th answer is On Screen.

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This credit is mostly intented as a joke, since according to wikipedia, the hand belongs to Ted Cassidy.

But to be consistant and let the credits make sense, I would personnally use Thing as the common name and use the "As credited" to match the credit on screen.

So, we'll have:

Thing (Itself) as The Thing
Thing as Itself
Thing (The Thing) as Itself
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If the hand belongs to Ted Cassidy, then shouldn't this be used like a stage name?  In other words Ted Cassidy credited as "the Thing"?
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No RH, because Ted Cassidy is NOT credited as The Thing.

He could conceivably be listed as (uncredited) with documentation...more than simply Wikipedia since for accuracy they are about as reliable as someone else we all know.

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No RH, because Ted Cassidy is NOT credited as The Thing.

He could conceivably be listed as (uncredited) with documentation...


If I recall correctly, Ted Cassidy playing The Thing is said in a documentary on the making of the Addams Family, in Vol.1.
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No RH, because Ted Cassidy is NOT credited as The Thing.

He could conceivably be listed as (uncredited) with documentation...more than simply Wikipedia since for accuracy they are about as reliable as someone else we all know.

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You say “is NOT credited as…”

Then please explain to me why folks are so intent on creating fictitious credits, and voting yes on them btw, with pseudonyms? The Coen Brothers were not credited as Film Editors in “The Big Lebowski”, “Fargo” or “O Brother, Where Art Thou?” in the film’s credits yet the profiles were changed. This change has essentially deleted Roderick Jaynes from the database. If, after accepting these profile updates, one tries to search for credits for Roderick Jaynes they will no longer get any hits…he’s gone because the search is done on the common name not the credited as name. The same goes for changing an Alan Smithee credit to the actual Director’s name. Try doing a search to see how many Alan Smithee credits are in the films in your collection after accepting a profile update like that…zero hits. Where’s the usability now?
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Of course, if Ted Cassidy is verified as the owner of the hand in a documentary even, then crediting it as

Ted Cassidy (Itself) as The Thing
Ted Cassidy (Thing) as Itself
Ted Cassidy (The Thing) as Itself

would be the best way to do it.
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Quoting 8ballMax:
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No RH, because Ted Cassidy is NOT credited as The Thing.

He could conceivably be listed as (uncredited) with documentation...more than simply Wikipedia since for accuracy they are about as reliable as someone else we all know.

Skip


You say “is NOT credited as…”

Then please explain to me why folks are so intent on creating fictitious credits, and voting yes on them btw, with pseudonyms? The Coen Brothers were not credited as Film Editors in “The Big Lebowski”, “Fargo” or “O Brother, Where Art Thou?” in the film’s credits yet the profiles were changed. This change has essentially deleted Roderick Jaynes from the database. If, after accepting these profile updates, one tries to search for credits for Roderick Jaynes they will no longer get any hits…he’s gone because the search is done on the common name not the credited as name. The same goes for changing an Alan Smithee credit to the actual Director’s name. Try doing a search to see how many Alan Smithee credits are in the films in your collection after accepting a profile update like that…zero hits. Where’s the usability now?

I guess it depends on how one defines useability.  Since Roderick Jaynes is a completely fictitious name, what would be the point of searching on it?  I suppose it would be the answer to a trivia question.  On the other hand, knowing that that Coen's edited a film as well as directed would also be the answer to a trivia question.  Useability is in the eye of the beholder.

I will say that by having both pieces of information in the database, real name and ficticious name, we are a program modification away from being able to search on either.  Before, no amount of coding changes would let us know that the Coen brothers also edited their films AND employed a pseudonym.

Just my opinion and the reason why I would support these credited as changes.
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Well said, midnit.

The ultimate issue of usability lies with each and every user, as they will have their own view of what it is TO THEM.

It would seem the best answer in this case would not be to modify the On Screen data, since Ted Cassidy is Not Credited. Just stay with Itself as The Thing or vice versa whatever it is, since it appears to have changed from Season to Season to at least.

Then to list Ted Cassidy as The Thing (uncredited) and using the documentation metioned by Enry, if his memory is correct would certainly fill the bill.

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Quoting skipnet50:
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No RH, because Ted Cassidy is NOT credited as The Thing.

He could conceivably be listed as (uncredited) with documentation...more than simply Wikipedia since for accuracy they are about as reliable as someone else we all know.

Skip


Encyclopedia Britannica? at least it is for science source so why not for other areas (like tv/pop culture).

and according to  this 'experts rate wikipedia's accuracy higher than non experts'

-Agrare
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And Wikipedia mentions two people played Thing in the series.  Someone else had to do it when Lurch was on screen.

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