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Declined with one no vote..when verified by disc?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbentyman
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I resently updated the Norwegian version of Game of Death (Bruce Lee) (709000171092) The things I changed that was wrong was, Rating 18 instead of 15, CoO (Hong Kong) "added" BY of John Barry, which is allready approved since it wasn't no checkbox on the bottompage as it use to be, and I corrected the runtime. The runtime I added was 97 min, instead of 102 as it was from before. I verified that form the actual runtime from the disc which was 96:40. I got one no vote with reason: where is runtime from ? cover states 102. And yes, cover says 102, but the actual RT is 96:40, therefore the change. I updated the notes and spesified that it was taken from the actual disc, but the voter did noit change his vote, and he has contributed profiles after his no vote, so he clearly has seen my change.

ANd today it was declined by that no vote. SO how do the screeners work, do thet base they're decicions by that one no vote, or do they read the contribution notes? I know they have lots to do, but when I write in the notes that it is from the disc, I shouldn't be declined. I uploaded the contribution again, and now I said it is from the actual disc, not the cover. covers do lie I added.

I mean, when you vote NO you check the change yourself, not by looking at the cover, but physicly put the DVD into the player, and verify it on your own. I do that, and I think others do to.
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Gerri sometimes makes mistakes too 

If your new contribution doesn't go through, try PM'ing her - that should get it sorted..
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Quoting Berak:
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Gerri sometimes makes mistakes too 

If your new contribution doesn't go through, try PM'ing her - that should get it sorted..

Yes I will do that
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Quoting bentyman:
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where is runtime from ? cover states 102. And yes, cover says 102, but the actual RT is 96:40, therefore the change. I updated the notes and spesified that it was taken from the actual disc,


When I change Runtime I also state how I verified it, typically with PowerDVD.
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That was actually my no vote and I asked about this in this tread.

http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=221850

As you see everyone stated a no was warranted. therefeore I voted No because you did not state that you had it from disc or anything.

I did not change it because when i checked it 2 days later there was still no change to the notes that I saw anyways so I havent checked after that.

In this case you could have pm'ed me and explain where you got it from and I would have changed it. But I will not break out a dvd and check the runtime for my self everytime something gets changed. It would result in nothing but checking changes.

I'm sorry I did not see your updated notes.
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Quoting Dvdjon:
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That was actually my no vote and I asked about this in this tread.

http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=221850

(quote Dvdjon from the link:  "I believe the rules state a no vote in both cases, but do you guys check it out and submit the yes vote with confirmation that the runtime/crew is correct???
I believe the voting system is there so we wouldent have to do that tough.")

As you see everyone stated a no was warranted. therefeore I voted No because you did not state that you had it from disc or anything.



So you are voting Yes no mather what, only by the statement from the contributor?

There are people out there taking info from anywhere and puting on a standard phrase they know look good by screeners, we are the firewall for this missinformation, else the voting is not needed.

I have seen lots of NO woters with the statment of "where the info is from", if it is on the disc you should chech it anyway...  After a time one can start to trust some people and the check can be quicker, but to just trust the tekst along with the contribution is a little bit on the side by me..

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bentyman:

All it takes is one valid NO vote. This is not about getting your name in your lights,this is also not about ohweell, he is right but everybody voted Yes so I will ignore it. If the No vote is valid...then address the problem, fix it and re-contribute. This is about accurate data, take a little pride in your work.

@oleops:
We have a lot of users who will not pay any attention to what they are doing and willvote YES to nearly any and everything, even IMDb on the logic that NOTHING is there and SOMETHING is better the nothing.

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No I do not vote yes no matter what thats why he got a no vote dude.

I cant check every single update by disc each time therefor I will vote no when there are no statement as to where this is from. If he had stated that the runtime checked by powerdvd or other place I could maybe checked it out as confirmation on a yes vote.

The notes there vere not in accord with rules and i asked on the forum and did as they said they would do.

I vote between 10 and 15 times a week(sometimes much more) and I do have better things to do than flipping disks into the dvd player. besides All contributors should remember that sometimes we are not home and have the possibility the verify by disk. Therefore we have to be able to trust the contributors statements that cast is from disc or runtime verifyed by powerdvd or something else.

I have never seen any contribution that has been willfully wrong, but I do have seen some wrong ones that has gotten a no vote from me just because they where unstaded as to where the changes got from or that they was dead wrong. The same day I voted no for this I also woted no to a cast update because the uploader did not state where he got them. I therefore assume they are cut and paste from Imdb. This uploader hovever pm'd me and told me that he had updated the notes to "gotten from end credits" and therefore i changed my vote to Yes.

In the last 30 days i have uploaded 106 contributions 103 of these has been released and 3 has ben withdrawn from me because I had misunderstood something in the rules.

Total no votes on these are 3 and only 1 on the 103 released ones. 2 are on the ones i withdrew.
the reason for this is that i state where i get the things from We cannot demand of all users who vote on these to flip out the disc and check everything. We have to trust the community and if a user do not state where the info is from he or she will get several no votes. and proparbly will get deleted even with only yes votes because kan and gerri has to trust us and they need us to state where we get the info from.
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I know, jon, I wasn't addressing that to you. I know you don't.

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not for you skip, i started writing it before you had posted above me.      
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To finish this, I usually state where I verify my changes, but on this title, I wrote first Corrected runtime (96:40), and where else would I find that actual runetime down to the last second? Yes, by watching the disc (I usually write verified by disc while playing or similar, but in all the haste I forgot it on that one). The minute I saw the no vote, I updated my notes, and said where I found the time, and Dvdjon said he didn't see the change It's ok, I have recontributed it now, and in the future I make sure I will say where it's from so I don't have to withdraw, or update notes
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There is no such thing as too much info...     

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No I do not vote yes no matter what thats why he got a no vote dude.

I cant check every single update by disc each time therefor I will vote no when there are no statement as to where this is from. If he had stated that the runtime checked by powerdvd or other place I could maybe checked it out as confirmation on a yes vote.



The whole sentense read:  So you are voting Yes no mather what, only by the statement from the contributor?

I have seen contributors brag about what they write to get a shure Yes from screeners in our own forum, so the trust must be built up first before the yes wote coming out without checking.
(have not seen this from fellow norwegian contributors  )

It was not personal,dude...  , but I am a litle worried when some new contributors starts their carreer with less information on the contributions and gets lot of NO NO NO, but if you check it is valid information...  they should get a Yes wote and maybe a statement or a PM with some info of how the contribution should have been laid up.

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Hmm ok so you say mistrust everyone chec every single contribution by disk no matter what ?

sounds like sound advice.
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Well, take it the way you want...

The trust must go when the contributor (you know of) forget to put every thing in the notes also then.


Bentymans contributions, and yours as well is rock solid as I have seen.
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I don't usually put the disc in to verify things, I just go by look, feel and who's submitting. I'm still newish so I don't know everyone, but feel there's a few I can trust just from their comments on mistakes I made in early contributions.
If I'm totally in the dark I won't go auto yes, I go neutral and let those who are (hopefully) sure to vote on it.

That reminds me, do neutral votes show up anywhere for contributions? I know my N vote does on pending that I've voted on, but I have been curious as to how many others voted N as well once or twice.
I imagine maybe the mods can see the full vote count but not the general poster, or are neutrals just thrown away?
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