I just voted on a contribution for Shall We Dance? (786936-273298) where the submission is removing the common name of Mýa. His notes state this:

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Removal of Common Name, now that we have the Credit Lookup tool, we have 13 Titles, 24 versions for Mya Harrison, for Mýa we have ZERO titles and ZERO versions, so why this deserbved a Common name is more thabn I know. Oh, wait, IMDb strikes again, lol

Now I may not be the smartest person here. Fact is I've been told (as have others) that I don't have the intelligence to comprehend many of the points raised here. I am however smart enough to know that it is impossible to have ZERO versions of something you are replacing. There has to be at least one version.... or there would be nothing to replace.... right? 

I checked and the credit lookup tool does not show any listings for Mýa. Is it not recognizing the "ý" somehow? As I note above there should be at least the one listing.  To those of you from other countries, do you have trouble with the tool not providing results for names that are clearly listed? or is this some type of one of a kind glitch? Just curious.



OT a bit: It does show Mya as having 56 titles, which IMO would be the common name, but that's another issue.

Quoting skipnet50:

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Well, Rick for one thing when you search on Mya, you get results which include Mya Harrison, Mýa Harrison and maybe Mya and Mýa (if there are any).

Not true! A search in the "credit lookup" tool will render results for the EXACT name you searched for - taken from the "credited as" field. For instance, a search for "Mya" will NOT return the profiles in which she's listed as "Mya Harrison", etc. Why make these statements if you don't even know what you're talking about?

OK. Figured it out. I guess it's not broken. 

Searching for Mýa shows no results yet there is a profile showing that credit. That profile uses the credited as function to show what is actually listed (Mya Harrison). Since there is a name listed in the credited as field the lookup ignores the name listed in the common name field. Makes sense. At least I got my answer. I simply misunderstood how the feature worked.

Move along now.... nothin' to see here 

reybr:

I understand that, but I am not sure that there are many capable of that.

Oh, I am so bad.

Skip

Quoting reybr:

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Just remember to look at the titles before you decide on a common name

For Mya, there are lots of profiles that are wrong. All those listed with [Hidden title] are porn movies, and the Mya in question here haven't played in any as far as I know.

In addition, there are a lot of profiles for the title Chicago that lists her as Mya. She is credited as Mýa Harrison in that movie. Shall We Dance is also listed when you search for Mya, and in that one she is credited as Mya Harrison.

So you can't just look at the numbers. You have to look at the titles behind the numbers too

Except Ken has said to use it not to use it only if it is correct. (A position I don't agree with BTW). Mistakes or not we are to use it for the common name whatever the results



OT: I see based on the quotes in a couple of threads there seems to be some more Skypocrisy about. In the Pirates thread Skip seems to be telling Tim to use the lookup tool as is for online and not use what he considers correct (even though he shows documentation). Here he seems to agree with Reybr that the lookup tool can be wrong and adds users aren't capable of sorting through the results to get what is truly the correct name. Make up your mind. Follow it as is or sort through it looking for mistakes. You cannot have it both ways, unless you are once again arguing simply for the sake of arguing. 

Quoting reybr:

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But you can still use it together with other information you have. If you know she is credited one way in a movie but the tool says something else, you write that in the contribution notes. No reason to pick a common name you know is wrong. Just apply what you already know to the numbers. The tool is there to help you. It doesn't hold all the answers and Ken has never said to blindly trust it

There you go: the voice of reason! Put this man on a pedestal!

Quoting lyonsden5:

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i agree with both of you but unfortunately the rules don't.

They say:

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To determine whether to enter the name directly as credited, or to use the "Credited As" field, use the Credit Lookup tool.

Long live the neutral vote. 

But they don't tell you how to interpret the result from the tool. It's the result from the tool I'm questioning. If you know the result is false, you can write that. (Or you can change all the profiles you know have the wrong credited as name, so that the tool reports everything correctly... But that isn't exactly a small job)

Everything isn't black and white

The quote you posted was this

"In general, yes.  There will be cases that require a bit more perusing to make sure there aren't false matches."

Note the part about the false matches.