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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | For those fans of removal of possesives and the various and sundry excuses for doing so. Here's one for you to have fun with, I am soooooo tempted, except that I know the answer already.
The Sound of Music: Five Star Collection, which includes the possesive Rodgers adn Hammerstein's
The back cover credit block says Rodgers and Hammerstein's The Sound of Music..
The recent 40th Anniversary release of the same film has a similar configuration for the front cover, while the credit block says Rodgers and Hammerstein's "The Sound of Music".
I love it; one film two different titles and you people want to believe that the Credit Block holds the keys to the title, ROFLMAO....I can't stand it.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,022 |
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | And it took what, richie, three weeks to find a big one, so just exactly how many are there. This is not just some film, this is The Sound of Music, a genuine classic.  Still laughing my AO I have learned not to be definitive, as I said, richie I know the answer. But according to the Rules we know officially have TWO different titles for the same movie. But you guys have ALL the answers.....NOT!!!!! Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
But according to the Rules we know officially have TWO different titles for the same movie.
When I made the same statement about "Traquée" and "Tranquée", you said I was whining, as the concerned rule pleased you (I now know you love typos...). Try not to be childish, and be consistent. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 585 |
| | Posted: | | | | Nobody ever said the credit block was 100% perfect, only that it covered a very high percentage of the cases for possesives. For some, as might be the case here, then a discussion must be had. Is your point that should one movie be found to not fall under the rule and require discussion in turn mean the entire rule is bogus and should be thrown out? Please. Take a look at pretty much any rule currently and I'm sure you can find exceptions to all of them. They are there to help guide us through the most common scenarios but there will always be exceptions to rules and those will always be brought up here and discussed ad nauseum until people call each other names, the fate of the online DB is either saved or destroyed, and the thread is locked, and then everything keeps going as usual. I'd be curious to see scans of the actual covers in both cases. Based on your post it would appear the Five Star Collection you mention has no quotes in the credit block.. at all. Meaning, they aren't around the possesives or the title or anything. Where as the 40th Anniversary release does have quotes appearing in the credit block and they are around the film's title. That might be a misinterpretation, but without seeing the scans then it seems that everything is correct as far as what we suspect about the titles. Anyway, I'm not sure why you find coming across a possible exception to a rule as "rich" or "too much" when people are posting exceptions and/or questions regarding rules daily here. How is this (possible) one different from any other? | | | "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men" - Douglas Bader
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 823 |
| | Posted: | | | | Enter data according to the rules. If it results in two different titles for each disc, then so be it, this is after all DVD Profiler, not Movie Profiler. Quote:
* Do not include quotes if they surround the entire title.
* Include possessives if the front cover includes them, and if they are verifiably part of the title. If quotes surround the title in the credit block (generally on the back cover), check whether the possessive is within the quotes. In the absence of quotes to verify, check the font size used for the title on the front cover. Generally, possessives which use a significantly smaller font are not part of the title.
* Possessive examples: "Tim Burton's Corpse Bride", John Carpenter's "The Thing". In each case, the portion within quotes is the title. | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
And it took what, richie, three weeks to find a big one, You been searching that long to try and find one  There are exceptions to every rule we have. But what has been proven is that this new rule has been 99.9% consistent using the credit block. That's good enough for me. | | | |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Richie: I don't LOOK for them, get real, bud. I have said before that anytime a definitive statement is made, it won't be long before Hollywood shows you the error of your ways, I have seen it far too many times. But I have better things to do than to look for such drivel, it came up on a routine review of the titles that I happen to own both copies of. The credit block has not been proven to 99.9% accurate, this is merely the WORST single error found but there ar others some of which have been reported and there are MANY, MANY more...you can put that in the bank. As usual, richie you and the othgers are too busy trying to defend your indefensible position to really understand what I am saying. Let me make it very simple, I posted this exactly because I knew it wouldn't be long before someone didn't comprehend that I am deeply amused and litrerally laughing at the utter inanity of it, and you are providing me with more much neede lauighter...I thank you. that I have to explain it. Still LMAO. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Richie:
I have said before that anytime a definitive statement is made,
What definitive statement - you are doing your riddler impression again. Please show me a definitive statement regarding credit blocks Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
The credit block has not been proven to 99.9% accurate, this is merely the WORST single error found It's the third that I've seen since Ken introduced the new rule Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
and there are MANY, MANY more...you can put that in the bank.
That's a hell of a claim. What is your definition of MANY, MANY? 3?? Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Still LMAO.
Skip Why is this funny?  I don't get the joke - a credit block is wrong? | | | |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with Richie. I believe you have been looking for such an example just to rub it in everyone's face. Very, very mature. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | From the Title section of the Contribution Rules (Emphasis is mine): Quote:
* Do not include quotes if they surround the entire title.
* Include possessives if the front cover includes them, and if they are verifiably part of the title. If quotes surround the title in the credit block (generally on the back cover), check whether the possessive is within the quotes. In the absence of quotes to verify, check the font size used for the title on the front cover. Generally, possessives which use a significantly smaller font are not part of the title.
* Possessive examples: "Tim Burton's Corpse Bride", John Carpenter's "The Thing". In each case, the portion within quotes is the title. I think that by applying the Rule to both DVDs, That we can determine that the title of each is Sound of MusicSound of Music: Five Star Edition  Sound of Music: 40th Anniversary Edition  | | | | Chris |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I agree with Richie. I believe you have been looking for such an example just to rub it in everyone's face. Very, very mature. Unicus: You can and will believe whatever you wish, even if you are dead wrong...yet again. Be my guest. I hapen to be working in the S's and it happened to come up in the normal rotation, like I said I have far more important things to deal with, but if and when I find something...then I find it. the reaction was very predictable and while with the exception of Yves' response, which I could have typed myself for him, I could not predict just whom would respond but the type and style of response was very predictable...even yours. And still laughing. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Unicus:
You can and will believe whatever you wish, even if you are dead wrong...yet again. Be my guest. I hapen to be working in the S's and it happened to come up in the normal rotation, like I said I have far more important things to deal with, but if and when I find something...then I find it. the reaction was very predictable and while with the exception of Yves' response, which I could have typed myself for him, I could not predict just whom would respond but the type and style of response was very predictable...even yours.
And still laughing.
Skip Keep laughing...it just makes you look like a petulent child who didn't get his way. Btw, it is you who has gotten it wrong. As cmaeditor has pointed out, there is a procedure that is to be followed when there are no quotes in the credit block. I guess you conveniently decided to ignore that portion of the rule. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No Unicus I did not. Did YOU miss the word GENERALLY, that means not necessarily correct ALWAYS And, as usual you don't understand, you are operating wiuthin too narrow a dramework, Unicus, I don't care, it's that simple, but I am very amused. Wow, you guys are really something.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
No Unicus I did not. Did YOU miss the word GENERALLY, that means not necessarily correct ALWAYS And, as usual you don't understand, you are operating wiuthin too narrow a dramework, Unicus, I don't care, it's that simple, but I am very amused.
Wow, you guys are really something.
Skip Oh poor Skip. Do you really think I, of all people, missed a single word? For someone who claims to have been able to predict my response, you really have no clue about me. Of course I didn't miss the word 'generally'. You, on the other hand, missed the definition of the word. In the context of this rule, it means "as a rule, usually." In other words, more often than not. Nice try, but I think you should stick to bloviating and leave the parsing to the experts. Oh, and I understand completely...you do care. If you didn't, you wouldn't be here trying to play this game of 'gotcha'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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