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| Registered: April 7, 2007 | | Posts: 32 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quick question for you all.
I went through my whole collection and the cover images and I noticed that there are over 100 or so slip cases that originally came with slip covers but the images in the database are of the slip cases as opposed to the slip covers.
It was my understanding that the rule was always scan the image of the slip covers as long as they basically contain the same info as the slip case...I know its being picky but sometimes on the slip case the billing block is different, or part of a picture is cut off, or the logos are in different places than the slip covers. A lot of titles do have the images of the slip cover over the slip case (with the hole over the UPC) and a lot of others have the correct slip cover scanned in but theres seems to be way to many slip cases scanned in instead of the correct slip cover. Some of them are identical but one can notice tiny differences in them and others have completely different pictures...I think it's time to try and egt some of these fixed.
I want to start a forum with a list of titles that have scans of the incorrect slip cases rather than the correct slip cover so hopefully people with scanners can scan in the correct slip covers.... what are your thoughts on this? (p.s. I was out of the country for two months and haven't followed the boards as regularly so this may have been addressed so excuse me if it has). Thanks! |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think it's something that's only just coming to people's attention now that we have the slip cover checkbox.
And you're assuming that whoever posted the images got a copy with the slip cover - as far as they're aware they may only have the case and were submitting valid scans. So I don't think we should judge them too harshly for the rules violation.
I certainly can't see any objection to starting the list. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 24 |
| | Posted: | | | | Many times it's not practical to use the slip cover. If the slip cover is reflective, you gotta use the keep case scan, so long as it's the same. Other times it comes down to someone's personal preference in their own database. They might want the keep case in their own database, and thus that is what they scan. Then they contribute it because the scans in the database are either crappy or are non-existent.
Better scans are better scans, and I'd rather see a great keep case scan than a crappy slipcover one. Now if someone comes along and does a good scan of the slipcover, that's another story. And again, I'm only talking about when the keep case and slipcover are the same here, when there are differences, the slipcover should always be used. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | There's also the possiblilty that the original release was without a slip cover but when re-released in came with one  . | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Slip Case versus Slip Cover? You've got me confused, kewlcastud.
I think you are confusing a KEEP CASE with a Slip Case. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: June 26, 2007 | | Posts: 37 |
| | Posted: | | | | One may also have to make a judgement based upon what will provide the clearest and most informative scan of the product - perhaps thereby bending/ignoring some rules. Even the new "Slip Cover" tick box doesn't cover all options. One DVD I have, 'The Village' (EAN: 5017188814119) effectively has "three" covers. Working inwards: - there's a partially transparent plastic "slip-sleeve" (open at top and bottom) with text and pictures - the same as on the keep-case-cover. - inside is a cardboard "slip-cover" (open along one long side) that is printed with a sepia photograph designed to partially show through the transparent slip-sleeve. - finally there's the "keep-case-cover" wrapped around the keep-case itself. You can't just scan the "slip-sleeve" because of the transparent areas, even though the cover text is there. You can't just scan the "Slip-cover" because it is just a photograph, without any text. You can't scan the "slip-cover with the slip-case inside" since the text quality on the back of the slip-sleeve really is quite poor. So you're left with the only realistic option of scanning the keep-case-cover. I also have a German DVD that has a totally black slip-case. The only writing is on the spline - which the 'rules' say we must not scan. In the shop it was sold inside a cellophane wrapper with white printed text on it - but you had to destroy that to open it up. So the only realistic option is to scan the keep-case-cover. ....Would I contribute it?.... Probably not, since there is bound to be at least one person that will object because I didn't contribute a "totally black" front and back cover!  |
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| Registered: April 13, 2007 |  Posts: 651 |
| | Posted: | | | | Personally I throw away my slip covers, because I feel they don't belong on the keep case. But , however, I keep slipcases on my keep cases whenthey are special. I.E the first Pirates of the Caribbean, and slipcases that has "bold" letters on the slipcas (Wild Hogs norwegian version) I contributed James Bond Die another day, and got lots of NO votes from the Norwegian voters, because I didn't use the slip case. It came with one, but it was white, and probably a gimmick from the distributor. However the keep case cover was also white, and I got mad when I saw that, since all the previous 19 Bondmovies I have, had black covers with the 007 pistol logo on the slipne. But after a few weeks I suddenly saw through the center of the case that it was something black behind the cover. And I took it out, and there it was, the familiar black cover that finalized the barrel of the gun in the logo on the spline. Most of the voters didn't know that, but after I resubmitted it and clearified that in fact it had the "original" cover on the back, still lots NO votes, Not the slipcase, and people that also had discovered the "right" cover voted NO. The first thing I did when I got Die Another Day, was to throw away the slipcase. And I suspect that other 007 fans have now done the same, because I doubt that they have 19 Bond movies with the 007 logo and the pistol then a white slipcase that finalize the barell hidden behind the slipcase.. But well, I have the right cover in my local database, and also the right one in my shelves where all my Bond movies are.. The slipcover went to recycling, and is probably now the cigarettecase where my cigarettes is stored in | | | "What's God?"
"You know when you want something really bad and you wish for it?, God's the guy that ignores you"
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| Registered: April 7, 2007 | | Posts: 32 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here's a PARTIAL list of some of the DVDs that I have slip-covers on the keep cases where they are different from the existing images (most images are of the keep case rather than the slip-cover)...and thus pursuant to the rules, the slip-cover should be the one scanned and in the database (and yes almost all of these originally came with a slip-cover and were bought at Best Buy on day of release)...so anyone with a scanner, your help is appreciated in getting these corrected in the database:
024543204817 - Alien vs. Predator: The Unrated Edition
043396102064 - xXx: State of The Union: Widescreen Special Edition
786936248951 - The Wild
678149456226 - War Of The Worlds: 2 Disc Limited Edition
012236189428 - Waiting...: Unrated and Raw: 2 Disc Deluxe Edition
025192326622 - Van Helsing: Widescreen
097360289947 - Tommy Boy: Holy Schnike Edition
027616061522 - The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2: The Gruesome Edition
043396172340 - Talladega Nights: Teh Ballad of Ricky Bobby: Widescreen Unrated and Uncut
024543267515 - Taps: 25th Anniversary Special Edition
043396059948 - Stripes: Extended Cut
786936213645 - Sleeping Beauty: Special Edition
786936720983 - Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest: 2 Disc Special Edition
786936157147 - Pocahontas: 10th Anniversary Edition
024543372325 - Point Break: Pure Adrenaline Edition
085392891924 - Heat: Two Disc Special Edition
786936215595 - Finding Nemo: 2 Disc Collector's Edition
794043756528 - Elf: Infinifilm
085393190828 - Chariots of Fire: Two Disc Special Edition
786936239058 - Chicago: The Razzle-Dazzle Edition
025192632426 - The Chronicles of Riddick: Unrated Director's Cut
025192472220 - The Chronicles of Riddick: Pitch Black: Unrated Director's Cut
097360504545 - Clueless: "Whatever!" Edition
012236132509 - The Crying Game: Collector's Edition
025192581922 - Dawn Of The Dead: Unrated Director's Cut
031398172314 - Beyond The Sea
025192031229 - Doom: Unrated Extended Edition
025192545726 - The Bourne Identity: Extended Edition
031398110859 - Cabin Fever
025192002328 - Apollo 13: 2 Disc Anniversary Edition
097360309041 - Airplane!: "Don't Call Me Shirley!" Edition
plus about 100 more I will get to later....but this should give you scanner geniuses a good start....
Please post here when you scan one and we can cross it off the list | | | | Last edited: by kewlcastud |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Kewl: I tried with War of the Worlds, but it seems that for some reason users want to go against the Rules.     Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 131 |
| | Posted: | | | | For War of the Worlds....
What's more important and more significant? A slipcover identical as the Innercase or The UPC Code on the back cover? | | | | Last edited: by tarantino |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | The UPC is irrelevant, tarantino. try dealing with the covers that put that put the UPC somewhere that is NOT accessible to our graphics. The bottom cover flap , for example or as in ST: TNG on a piece of paper that save for the maybe the season banner is not a part of what we scan. The UPC is nice, but if the distributor does not do what we want him to do..so what.
Read the Rules as well tarantino, there are two issues which MUST be met to use the innercase, (1) Slip Cover is TOO reflective and (2) The Two covers are IDENTICAL
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: May 11, 2007 |  Posts: 32 |
| | Posted: | | | | @skip:
"If a DVD is packaged in a keep case, within a slipcase of some kind, scan the Cover Images from the outer slipcase. If, however, the Slipcase is reflective, and the inner cover art is identical, use the Keep Case art to scan, as it will give a better quality image."
This is from the rules. There is PLENTY of room for interpretation where the thin line between "Use Slipcase" or "Use Keep Case" ends/starts. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Falcon:
Not at all.
"If a DVD is packaged in a keep case, within a slipcase of some kind, scan the Cover Images from the outer slipcase. If, however, the Slipcase is reflective, and the inner cover art is identical, use the Keep Case art to scan, as it will give a better quality image."
Both conditions must be met to use the keep case, not either or...BOTH. There is some room for interpretation relative to reflectivity, and while YOU (for example) may find a given case to be too relective, some one else may be able to achieve a good image.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just submitted: 027616061522 - The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2: The Gruesome Edition It should get voted on but might be a problem due to sticker on front. I keep stickers that are relavent to the movie or dvd on my covers. Price tags and stickers for ads inside get removed. I have a few more on the list and will get them up soon. I'll just edit this reply as I do. 025192581922 - Dawn Of The Dead: Unrated Director's Cut submitted. 786936720983 - Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest: 2 Disc Special Edition submitted. Another sticker but reflective slip came out nice. We'll see how this goes over with a much larger group of voters.  024543204817 - Alien vs. Predator: The Unrated Edition submitted. | | | | Last edited: by bigdaddyhorse |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | The new scan for Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 is nice on the colors (the current scan is actually too white, while the new one is a bit too strong on the yellow though) and here the slip cover actually has a slightly different image. (I am not too fond of that sticker though... Found that I had not yet peeled mine off the cover; yet trying though showed it's one of those that don't come off nicely ) I like the work on the Dawn of the Dead cover, I also find the color representation to be improved. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks ya_shin. I only have 2 more on the list and I'll probably get those up tomorrow. Alien Vs. Predator Unrated Cabin Fever Not sure how Cabin Fever will come out with the lenticular cover, but I'll give it a try. Gettin' good scans on funky covers so far.  I did Chroicles of Riddick but found I have a different version (same on keepcase, but different UPC on slip as it's BB exclusive version). Those scans came out great for a reflective cover. Here's the UPC if you want to check it out: 025192681325 |
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