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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 951 |
| Posted: | | | | New rule: Quote: Include possessives if the front cover includes them, and if they are verifiably part of the title. If quotes surround the title in the copyright section, check whether the possessive is within the quotes. In the absence of quotes to verify, check the font size used for the title on the front cover. Generally, possessives which use a significantly smaller font are not part of the title. I'm seeing a number of possessives being removed from the online DB. With the contribution notes only stating the possessive is in a smaller font. However the rule also states "Include possessives if the front cover includes them, and if they are verifiably part of the title." It appears to me members are picking and choosing which part of the rule to apply. Should font size be enough to determine the removal of a possessive? | | | Are you local? This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | I can't speak for anyone else, but I've found that very often the answer lies in the marquee credit block printed on the rear cover. The copyrighted title is typically contained in quotes. If the possessive is supposed to be there, it will be inclusive in the quotes. Often, you will see that it is explicitely excluded from the quotes. What you end up with is something like Frank Capra's "It's A Wonderful Life", for example. This would be a case where the possessive should be dropped from the title, according to the rules, leaving only It's A Wonderful Life.
I'm sure others will chime in with their thoughts, but this has worked for me and is much easier to deal with than a font size change. | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,372 |
| Posted: | | | | Font size is to be used "in the absence of quotes". If the quotes are there and the possession is part of them then removing the possession is in violation of the rule. If not it should be removed
If there are no quotes in the copyright section then it is a bit trickier and will undoubtedly create some good 'discussions'. | | | Last edited: by lyonsden5 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote: Font size is to be used "in the absence of quotes". If the quotes are there and the possession is not part of them then removing the possession iis in violation of the rule.
If there are no quotes in the copyright section then it is a bit trickier and will undoubtedly create some good 'discussions'. I agree. I checked out my collection last night and I have a couple of those "trickier" font-only ones! But if the credit block (copyright notice) on the back of the box is present, and if quotes separate the title from the possessive, that's all you need and you don't have to concern yourself with the fonts or any other source. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote: If the quotes are there and the possession is not part of them then removing the possession iis in violation of the rule. Isn't that exactly backwards? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 951 |
| Posted: | | | | These are titles that have no quotes on the cover or film title credits. I haven't had a chance to verify if the copyright title has quotes or missing possive yet. Only going by the contribution notes provided by the contributor removing the possessive. | | | Are you local? This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Well, if it's legible, simply look at the back cover scan for the profile in question. Otherwise you'll have to pull your copy off the shelf to confirm. | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,372 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: Quoting lyonsden5:
Quote: If the quotes are there and the possession is not part of them then removing the possession iis in violation of the rule. Isn't that exactly backwards? well, only if you want to be litteral about it (Thanks! nice catch. I knew what I meant - my fingers didn't though ) |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Ye, they are and there are numerous possessives being removed that ARE indeed THE LEGAL title of the AND being voted to remove film. Given the people involve tracy, I am NOT surprised at all.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: Ye, they are and there are numerous possessives being removed that ARE indeed THE LEGAL title of the AND being voted to remove film. Given the people involve tracy, I am NOT surprised at all.
Skip Legal per Kens' rules or Legal per an external source? | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Strange... I have only seen 1 contribution to remove a possessive so far (and I have loads of movies with the possessive in the title)... and the one was correct by Ken's new rule so voted yes to it of course. I was expecting to see a ton of removals by now! | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: Strange... I have only seen 1 contribution to remove a possessive so far (and I have loads of movies with the possessive in the title)... and the one was correct by Ken's new rule so voted yes to it of course. I was expecting to see a ton of removals by now! Only one? I've had 4 in my collection so far with contributions to remove the possessive. I voted yes on all of them. | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | yeah... only seen the one so far. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 951 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote: Font size is to be used "in the absence of quotes". If the quotes are there and the possession is part of them then removing the possession is in violation of the rule. If not it should be removed
If there are no quotes in the copyright section then it is a bit trickier and will undoubtedly create some good 'discussions'. So the font size is only to help determine if the possessive is part of the title or not. Not an automatic removal if it is a different size? The contributors still should be looking at the copyright section as well to determine if it is part of the title? What about box-set titles where there is a possive? | | | Are you local? This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote: Quoting lyonsden5:
Quote: Font size is to be used "in the absence of quotes". If the quotes are there and the possession is part of them then removing the possession is in violation of the rule. If not it should be removed
If there are no quotes in the copyright section then it is a bit trickier and will undoubtedly create some good 'discussions'.
So the font size is only to help determine if the possessive is part of the title or not. Not an automatic removal if it is a different size?
The contributors still should be looking at the copyright section as well to determine if it is part of the title?
What about box-set titles where there is a possive? This is the way I understood it as well. As for the boxset titles. Not sure... I don't recall it ever coming up when talking it all over before. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | The phrase that that Rick is referring is not Rules, it is a descriptive sentence and is correct as far as it goes.
"Generally, possessives which use a significantly smaller font are not part of the title."
Generally that is coirrect, NOT ALWAYS.
"Include possessives if the front cover includes them, and if they are verifiably part of the title."
Some of these SAME users that are now leaning on the Generally sentence as support to remove ultimately EVERY possessive, are the SAME users who started quoting US Copyright (I did not do that) data to support the position they were using at THAT moment. In short they are INCONSISTENT and attempting to manipulate the data to meet THEIR preferences. They will conveniently addopt whatever FICTION suits their mood of the moment as opposed to verifiable FACTS. They seem to believe that we have the ability to make a change to a name, regardless of what one's birth certificate might say, or a Copyright filing or even perhaps changiung the actual name of a car, talk anbout delusions of grandeur. Tthey want the answer to be what they want it to be, don't confuse them with FACTS. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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