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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 519 |
| Posted: | | | | The argument for : Thomas F. Wilson -It is the most common entry using the credit lookup feature. -It will help to distinguish from the many other Tom Wilson's without using birth year. The argument for Tom Wilson (1959):-It appears to be the most often used credit (the look up answer is skewed because there are many Back to the Future profiles where he is credited as Thomas F. Wilson and it also has a lot of data copied from another web database (you know who) that also use Thomas F. Wilson. -We don't have to have a unique name because there is birth year data available. -His official website has him as: Tom Wilson Some links: Official SiteIMDbNNDBWikpedia | | | Stuart | | | Last edited: by Gadgeteer |
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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | I'd prefer Thomas/F./Wilson (1959), assuming the BY is credited. With common names like these, I have instances where 6 actors need to be distinguished (Name Variants plugin helps, but also highlights problem cases). Every litte bit helps. | | | Hans |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 519 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote: I'd prefer Thomas/F./Wilson (1959), assuming the BY is credited. With common names like these, I have instances where 6 actors need to be distinguished (Name Variants plugin helps, but also highlights problem cases). Every litte bit helps. That wouldn't be a valid option because there are no other Thomas F. Wilson's so the birth year isn't necessary or allowed by the rules. | | | Stuart |
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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Gadgeteer: That wouldn't be a valid option because there are no other Thomas F. Wilson's so the birth year isn't necessary or allowed by the rules.
That sounds like a good reason to use the full name... | | | Hans |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | I have to admit I voted for using Thomas F. simply because Tom Wilson is a much more common name, and so we would definitely need the BY and it seems a shame not to use a different name when we have one available. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 519 |
| Posted: | | | | If we didn't have birth year info then it would be best to use Thomas/F./Wilson. But we do and therefore there's no reason why we can't have the name that is most frequently credited and, more importantly, the name he uses on his own official site, Tom Wilson.
Having said that, it doesn't actually matter as long as everyone uses the same name and I'll happily go with the majority. | | | Stuart | | | Last edited: by Gadgeteer |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Gadgeteer: Quote: If we didn't have birth year info then it would be best to use Thomas/F./Wilson. But we do and therefore there's no reason why we can't have the name that is most frequently credited and, more importantly, the name he uses on his own official site, Tom Wilson.
Having said that, it doesn't actually matter as long as everyone uses the same name and I'll happily go with the majority. What he said. This is exactly what the BY field was created for. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,911 |
| Posted: | | | | Not sure as the odds in having more than one Tom Wilson (1959) and Tom F. Wilson are about the same. We already have numerous Tom Wilson's apparently. | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 519 |
| Posted: | | | | It looks like it's going to be a close poll. We need 1 name or the other so I think it's best if we put a definitive deadline for the result. Say 72 hours after it started. | | | Stuart |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 188 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Gadgeteer: Quote: [The argument for Tom Wilson (1959): -It appears to be the most often used credit (the look up answer is skewed because there are many Back to the Future profiles where he is credited as Thomas F. Wilson and it also has a lot of data copied from another web database (you know who) that also use Thomas F. Wilson. Actually, that's not the real reason. The reason is because there are NINETEEN OTHER Tom Wilsons. The credits in the lookup tool for Tom Wilson are, for the most part, NOT HIM. They are for other actors. Our Thomas F. Wilson is THE most prominent credit FOR THAT ACTOR BY A LONGSHOT. The number of Tom Wilsons is skewed due to all of the OTHER Tom Wilsons. Thomas F. Wilson is how THIS ACTOR is credited by an overwhelming majority. To pplchamp: Untrue. There is one, and ONLY one "Thomas F. Wilson". There are nineteen "Tom Wilsons" NOT counting Thomas F. | | | Build a man a fire and you keep him warm for a day. Set a man on fire and you keep him warm the rest of his life. | | | Last edited: by RHFactor |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 519 |
| Posted: | | | | I've had a rough count up of the times he is credited in different TV Shows or films using the credit look up (not number of profiles) & excluding other Tom Wilson's:
Thomas F. Wilson 16 Tom Wilson 15
Admittedly I only had IMDb to check against, but in about 4 of the Thomas F. Wilson credits it should have been Tom Wilson.
The vast majority of Thomas F. Wilson credits where for the BTTF films (approx 4 pages of them). I counted these as 3 when making the above total.
So basically there's not a lot to choose between them.
Both: Tom Wilson (1959) and Thomas F. Wilson will provide a unique entry because no other actors named Tom Wilson have the same YoB (again using IMDb. sorry)
Personally, I would prefer to use the name that he himself uses on his official site and, apparently, in all his credits for the last 10 years. | | | Stuart | | | Last edited: by Gadgeteer |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,911 |
| Posted: | | | | If there are in fact, 20 Tom Wilson's in the DB, then the lookup utility is useless for this person.
Are we sure there are exactly 19 others? Can we ID all 20 of them? | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | I think IMDB was used to get that number, as they list 20 Tom Wilsons, 7 of which are actors (including Thomas F.). |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 519 |
| Posted: | | | | The argument that Thomas F. Wilson will give us a unique entry is irrelevant because so will Tom Wilson (1959)
His name on his official website is Tom Wilson and will almost certainly be credited that way for the foreseeable future, as he appears to have done consistently for the last 10 years.
If we choose Thomas F. Wilson, we will be using a name that he no longer uses and will increasingly be outnumbered by his Tom Wilson credits.
If anyone can show a screen grab where he has used the Thomas F. credit in recent years, then that would make a better case for using it. | | | Stuart | | | Last edited: by Gadgeteer |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 519 |
| Posted: | | | | double post | | | Stuart | | | Last edited: by Gadgeteer |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 188 |
| Posted: | | | | According to our lookup tool:
Thomas F. Wilson: 129 titles (245 profiles) Tom Wilson: 113 titles (178 profiles) - and most of these are NOT our man.
Out of those 178 profiles, 114 of them have a production year of 1959 or earlier, definitely NOT our man. Assuming all the others are indeed him, that would mean that there are 64 profiles that are his. That's a maximum of 64, with 20 Tom Wilsons, they probably aren't all his. 245 vs. 64 is an overwhelming majority if you ask me. | | | Build a man a fire and you keep him warm for a day. Set a man on fire and you keep him warm the rest of his life. |
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