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Most reliable 3rd party source for theatrical release year?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantWhite Pongo, Jr.
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Which of these sources should I rely on?

* Heat and Dust.
BFI-British Film Institute: 1982
http://ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/title/229608?view=release
Rottentomatoes: 1982
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/heat_and_dust/
Blockbuster: 1982
http://www.blockbuster.com/catalog/movie/similar/15073
IMDb: 1983
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084058/releaseinfo

* Go for Broke!
BFI-British Film Institute: 1950
http://ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/title/34893?view=release
Rottentomatoes: 1951
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1008429-go_for_broke/
Blockbuster: 1951
http://www.blockbuster.com/catalog/movieDetails/13639
IMDb: 1951
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043590/

* Escape from Angola, aka Return to Africa
BFI-British Film Institute: 1977
http://ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/title/460220
Rottentomatoes: 1977
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/return_to_africa/
IMDb: 1976
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074492/

* The Devil's Cavaliers, aka I Cavalieri del Diavolo
Rottentomatoes: 1958
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/devils_cavaliers/cast_crew.php
IMDb: 1959
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052684/releaseinfo
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As you have 3 agreeing for Heat and Dust, I'd go for that one.
Same with Go For Broke!
Any more sources for the other two?

Also, is there a copyright year on any of these films - that might give a hint.
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One more.

The Mark of the Hawk
BFI: 1957
http://ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/title/41984?view=release
Rottentomatoes: 1958
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/mark_of_the_hawk/
IMDb: 1957
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050692/
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Just check the copyright info at the end of the movie this is the most reliable source. Do this with all of them before going to an online source. It seems evident for me ...
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Just check the copyright info at the end of the movie this is the most reliable source. Do this with all of them before going to an online source. It seems evident for me ...


Still, the Rules request us to enter the year of the first public show, not the year of copyright.

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Production Year 
Enter the year of the original theatrical release.
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Quoting northbloke:

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As you have 3 agreeing for Heat and Dust, I'd go for that one.
Same with Go For Broke!


Nevertheless, IMDb provides the exact date (day, month, year) of theatrical releases, while other sites just say "release year", or do not even specify if they show the year of the original release or something else (copyright?).
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Still, the Rules request us to enter the year of the first public show, not the year of copyright.

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Production Year 
Enter the year of the original theatrical release.


And it's the same thing in 99.94% of the case. I don't see the need to run at another source for everything. I rarely use an outside source when I contribute a new profile, almost everything I need are in the material at hand (the movie, the extra, the commentary, ...).
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While it's true that we don't use the copyright year, it can still sometimes give you a clue as to which one will be right.
For example, if the Go For Broke! copyright year is 1951, then obviously the BFI database is wrong. Of course if it says 1950, then you're pretty much back to square one! 
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While it's true that we don't use the copyright year, it can still sometimes give you a clue as to which one will be right.
For example, if the Go For Broke! copyright year is 1951, then obviously the BFI database is wrong. Of course if it says 1950, then you're pretty much back to square one! 


It says 1950. 
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Then BFI database is wrong, they are not going to show something publicly which is not protected by Copyright, enry, even 57 years ago.

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Then BFI database is wrong, they are not going to show something publicly which is not protected by Copyright, enry, even 57 years ago.

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I had your same thought (if I understand correctly what you mean). Yes, of course the movie does have a copyright indication. I read it in the opening titles and it says "Copyright MCML", id est 1950, as I reported before.
But then it occured to me that BFI probably means that the copyright date is "Not available" in their  database, not that there is no copyright.
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OK so the Copyright is 1950 and the possible theatrical release is 1950 or 1951, or latter than 1950 at any rate. The weight of the evidence you provided  would support 1951, that's not saying it is correct. the one thing that might take me another is if Blockbuster and RottenTomatoes are licensing IMDb data, in which case I would lean heavily on BFI.

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if Blockbuster and RottenTomatoes are licensing IMDb data,


*Apparently* not, as their data differ from IMDb sometimes.
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I just took a quick look at BB and they DO appear to use independent data, so I would say the the evidence seems to support 1951.

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And it's the same thing in 99.94% of the case. I don't see the need to run at another source for everything. I rarely use an outside source when I contribute a new profile, almost everything I need are in the material at hand (the movie, the extra, the commentary, ...).


It's harder for old movies! For instance, in Warhead, aka The Prisoner in the Middle, the titles are almost illegible, the copyright year is 197... something... can't read the last digit, perhaps a "3", not sure.
And if I search the online databases, I am at a loss!

IMDb 1977
RT 1975
BFI 1975
Blockbuster.com 1974

I can only say that it might be 1975 because 2 databases out of 4 show that year.
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OK I understand what you means. But do you try to make a screen capture ? I have sometimes the unreadable credit problem an with some image manipulation you get something almost readable. But, I certainly see that it's easier to check on the web.

P.S : Seventies movie are not really old.
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